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tirk · Jul 19, 2006

FBI eyes Hizbollah

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060718/us_nm/security_hizbollah_usa_dc

Muslim American groups say that while they support fighting against terrorism, they are concerned the focus is unfairly on them.

“There are individual concerns that the government does interviews with individuals, with kind of subtle threats that they could be arrested or deported if they don’t cooperate. That is really the concern for a lot of these groups right now,” said Salam al-Marayati, head of the Los Angeles-based Muslim Public Affairs Council.

“That fact in itself will alienate, frustrate and perhaps even push these young people further to the margins, which creates a very problematic situation for all of us,” he said. “In a way, this is becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy.”
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sooo, the religion of peace has spoken. Stop calling us terrorists or we will be forced to blow you up.

Since the relationship is not publicized, people think we're not contributing and Muslims continue to be seen as a problem in our society as opposed to part of the solution," he said.
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yes, the silence is deafening.

TigerFan23 · Jul 20, 2006

Here's a thought. Maybe the peaceful Muslims should band together and be vocal about their opposition to all the violence being carried out by others in their religion. They can be a part of the solution if they do their part to put an end to all of that crap. If they just stand by and do nothing and say nothing, then of course they're going to be seen as part of the problem.

NoLimitMD · Jul 20, 2006

subtle threats that they could be arrested or deported if they don’t cooperate.
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Yea, go figure. The government frowns on foreigners not cooperating with them. Who woulda thunk it.

TF23 is right, though their time for proactively helping seems to have passed. Issuing a press release that you don't condone the actions of your mosquemates doesn't really demonstrate a desire to help.

tirk · Jul 20, 2006

NoLimitMD said:

TF23 is right, though their time for proactively helping seems to have passed. Issuing a press release that you don't condone the actions of your mosquemates doesn't really demonstrate a desire to help.
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well that was my implication on their silence. and your quote is the other one that floored me. they dont understand how not cooperating with the govt is grounds for deportation. chutzpah i tell ya.

I ran across this guy's blog from lebanon. it reminds me of a real-time modern day anne frank type thing. guy seemed really rational then freaked out blaming the west for everything once the bombing got closer.

http://lebop.blogspot.com/

The fact they harbored terrorists and elected 2 within their ministry in lebanon is our fault. this lack of their understanding the rationale in taking out bridges, ports and airports in the north amazes me. the whole excessive force bs is so counterintuitive to war it makes me wonder if people really are that ignorant to simple strategy.

But the devastation they have wreaked on us is truly horrendous. The US did not do this to the Iraqis. The US didn't do this to al Qaeda in Afghanistan, for crying out loud. Want to challenge me on this? Huh, you pale, pukish punks who've never done a damn thing in your lives for your armies and constitutions and who got everything handed to you; you punks sitting in your Pajamas (yeah, you there sitting in your Beverly Hills mansions writing movie scripts and worrying about the traffic on the way to Canyon Ranch); you who call liberals in the Middle East whiny for standing up for what we believe in at all times, including when it doesn't sound good to the Israelis and those whose lives are so pathetic they live vicariously through newspaper reports about the IDF and get their exercise for the day during when their adrenaline goes through the roof watching Bill O'Reilly scream at a child. Yeah, all you who want to challenge me, know that I've been to Iraq on multiple occassions. Friends have served and died there. The same goes for Afghanistan, where a good European friend is currently coordinating NATOs operations. I know well what the US did and does in those countries, and what Israel is doing here is far more merciless.

I've seen war in many places. I've studied when it is just and when it isn't. I take these things very, very seriously. This is not just.

I shouldn't even be telling you this. I shouldn't deign to your level of stupidity and ignorance. You people think you're well informed if you can name the leader of Hezbollah. You probably couldn't name the second in command if it would save your life. You probably can't even name the commanders serving YOU in Iraq. I know for a fact I know way more commanders, officers, and men on the ground in Afghanistan than any of you. You don't know war. I'm listening to bombs right now, as I write this. And by the way, my neighborhood was bombed earlier and I live on the top of my building. I shouldn't even be writing this because my bags aren't completely packed, my power is going in and out, my internet gives out every so often, and I can't make any phone calls. But I'm sure I'm just whining and that I couldn't possibly know how wonderful it is that Israel is liberating the world from terror.

Why debate someone who doesn't even know the facts? Well, because I believe in democracy. All of you vote, whether you deserve to or not, whether you've fought to or not. Just to vote, we braved assassination. Just to speak freely we braved more assassinations. Just to gather in large crowds we braved beating and water cannons. Just to live in our houses, we braved bombs and Hezbollah patsies rampaging through our streets hitting old men with wooden sticks. You brave any of that?

And you expect me to fight Hezbollah, when I've already done all of this? You expect me to immediately solve a problem I didn't create, even though I was doing a decent job of going about doing so with significantly less power. The US and France shied away, but I kept going. I tried to humanize the Israelis to my countrymen and stop anti-semitism.
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so once again, the mentality is we are absolute evil but we are immediately called upoin to fix someone else's problem when the shia hits the fan.

martin · Jul 20, 2006

what is the long term solution? people are gonna be militant muslims for a long time. i dont know what to do.

tirk · Jul 20, 2006

martin said:

what is the long term solution? people are gonna be militant muslims for a long time. i dont know what to do.
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israel is fighting a losing battle. they're simply too small and too outnumbered whether its 100 or 1000 years from now their fate seems pretty clear to me. that strip of land is far too small to defend forever against an enemy so hellbent to eradicate them.

i think we need to exterminate our own house before we blame others for harboring terrorists. obviously, we're indirectly or directly doing the same thing in the name of political correctness.

gotta know the enemy step one and we've failed to even do that yet.

kcal · Jul 20, 2006

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to TigerFan23 again.:thumb:

tirk · Jul 20, 2006

Terror suspects accused of plotting attack

By GIOVANNA DELL'ORTO, Associated Press Writer Wed Jul 19, 9:21 PM ET

ATLANTA - Two men already accused of discussing terror targets with Islamic extremists were indicted Wednesday on charges of undergoing paramilitary training in northwest Georgia and plotting a "violent jihad" against civilian and government targets, including an air base in suburban Atlanta.

The new indictment accuses Syed Ahmed, a 21-year-old Georgia Tech student who was arrested in March, and Ehsanul Islam Sadequee, 19, of traveling to Washington to film possible targets, including the U.S. Capitol and the headquarters of the
World Bank, and sharing the recordings with another alleged terrorist based in Great Britain.

Both men are U.S. citizens who grew up in Atlanta area. They previously were accused of traveling to Canada last year to meet with Islamic extremists to discuss "strategic locations in the United States suitable for a terrorist strike," including military bases and oil refineries, according to prosecutors.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060720...5mmSSdg.3QA;_ylu=X3oDMTA2ZGZwam4yBHNlYwNmYw--

NoLimitMD · Jul 21, 2006

tirk said:

israel is fighting a losing battle. they're simply too small and too outnumbered whether its 100 or 1000 years from now their fate seems pretty clear to me. that strip of land is far too small to defend forever against an enemy so hellbent to eradicate them.

i think we need to exterminate our own house before we blame others for harboring terrorists. obviously, we're indirectly or directly doing the same thing in the name of political correctness.

gotta know the enemy step one and we've failed to even do that yet.
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For some reason I keep thinking about Denis Leary's WE GOT THE BOMB routine. You and I both know Israel's got some shiny ones with Iran's name stenciled on it. Hopefully they hold off long enough for us to pillage their oil reserves first.

Also, while it's easy to think Muslims are the craziest bastards on the planet, Israel makes a pretty good showing every few years.

JSracing · Jul 26, 2006

Yeah but hey if you want to prove you can kick the bastards in the nuts, you have to be crazier than they are.

it's past time. political correctivness needs to be put on a back burner while the house is exterminated. the friendly bugs might wind up dead but we'll be vermin free.

Islam needs to be something a kid reads about 400 years from now in an AMERICAN school and then asks the teacher.." wow there really were those type of radical religions back then?"