And John Kerry flip flops... hmmmm

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  1. LOTTERY

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    1. Social Security Surplus

    BUSH PLEDGES NOT TO TOUCH SOCIAL SECURITY SURPLUS...
    "We're going to keep the promise of Social Security
    and keep the government from raiding the Social
    Security surplus." [President Bush, 3/3/01]

    ...BUSH SPENDS SOCIAL SECURITY SURPLUS The New York
    Times reported that "the president's new budget uses
    Social Security surpluses to pay for other programs
    every year through 2013, ultimately diverting more
    than $1.4 trillion in Social Security funds to other
    purposes." [The New York Times, 2/6/02]

    2. Patient's Right to Sue

    GOVERNOR BUSH VETOES PATIENTS' RIGHT TO SUE...
    "Despite his campaign rhetoric in favor of a patients'
    bill of rights, Bush fought such a bill tooth and nail
    as Texas governor, vetoing a bill coauthored by
    Republican state Rep. John Smithee in 1995. He...
    constantly opposed a patient's right to sue an HMO
    over coverage denied that resulted in adverse health
    effects." [Salon, 2/7/01]

    ...CANDIDATE BUSH PRAISES TEXAS PATIENTS' RIGHT TO
    SUE... "We're one of the first states that said you
    can sue an HMO for denying you proper coverage... It's
    time for our nation to come together and do what's
    right for the people. And I think this is right for
    the people. You know, I support a national patients'
    bill of rights, Mr. Vice President. And I want all
    people covered. I don't want the law to supersede good
    law like we've got in Texas." [Governor Bush,
    10/17/00]

    ...PRESIDENT BUSH'S ADMINISTRATION ARGUES AGAINST
    RIGHT TO SUE "To let two Texas consumers, Juan Davila
    and Ruby R. Calad, sue their managed-care companies
    for wrongful denials of medical benefits 'would be to
    completely undermine' federal law regulating employee
    benefits, Assistant Solicitor General James A. Feldman
    said at oral argument March 23. Moreover, the
    administration's brief attacked the policy rationale
    for Texas's law, which is similar to statutes on the
    books in nine other states." [Washington Post, 4/5/04]

    3. Tobacco Buyout

    BUSH SUPPORTS CURRENT TOBACCO FARMERS' QUOTA SYSTEM...
    "They've got the quota system in place -- the
    allotment system -- and I don't think that needs to be
    changed." [President Bush, 5/04]

    ...BUSH ADMINISTRATION WILL SUPPORT FEDERAL BUYOUT OF
    TOBACCO QUOTAS "The administration is open to a
    buyout." [White House spokeswoman Jeanie Mamo,
    6/18/04]

    4. North Korea

    BUSH WILL NOT OFFER NUCLEAR NORTH KOREA INCENTIVES TO
    DISARM... "We developed a bold approach under which,
    if the North addressed our long-standing concerns, the
    United States was prepared to take important steps
    that would have significantly improved the lives of
    the North Korean people. Now that North Korea's covert
    nuclear weapons program has come to light, we are
    unable to pursue this approach." [President's
    Statement, 11/15/02]

    ...BUSH ADMINISTRATION OFFERS NORTH KOREA INCENTIVES
    TO DISARM"Well, we will work to take steps to ease
    their political and economic isolation. So there would
    be -- what you would see would be some provisional or
    temporary proposals that would only lead to lasting
    benefit after North Korea dismantles its nuclear
    programs. So there would be some provisional or
    temporary efforts of that nature." [White House Press
    Secretary Scott McClellan, 6/23/04]

    5. Abortion

    BUSH SUPPORTS A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE... "Bush said
    he...favors leaving up to a woman and her doctor the
    abortion question." [The Nation, 6/15/00, quoting the
    Lubbock Avalanche-Journal, 5/78]

    ...BUSH OPPOSES A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE "I am
    pro-life." [Governor Bush, 10/3/00]

    6. OPEC

    BUSH PROMISES TO FORCE OPEC TO LOWER PRICES... "What I
    think the president ought to do [when gas prices
    spike] is he ought to get on the phone with the OPEC
    cartel and say we expect you to open your
    spigots...And the president of the United States must
    jawbone OPEC members to lower the price." [President
    Bush, 1/26/00]

    ...BUSH REFUSES TO LOBBY OPEC LEADERS With gas prices
    soaring in the United States at the beginning of 2004,
    the Miami Herald reported the president refused to
    "personally lobby oil cartel leaders to change their
    minds." [Miami Herald, 4/1/04]

    7. Iraq Funding

    BUSH SPOKESMAN DENIES NEED FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR
    THE REST OF 2004... "We do not anticipate requesting
    supplemental funding for '04" [White House Budget
    Director Joshua Bolton, 2/2/04]

    ...BUSH REQUESTS ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR IRAQ FOR 2004 "I
    am requesting that Congress establish a $25 billion
    contingency reserve fund for the coming fiscal year to
    meet all commitments to our troops." [President Bush,
    Statement by President, 5/5/04]

    8. Condoleeza Rice Testimony

    BUSH SPOKESMAN SAYS RICE WON'T TESTIFY AS 'A MATTER OF
    PRINCIPLE'... "Again, this is not her personal
    preference; this goes back to a matter of principle.
    There is a separation of powers issue involved here.
    Historically, White House staffers do not testify
    before legislative bodies. So it's a matter of
    principle, not a matter of preference." [White House
    Press Secretary Scott McClellan, 3/9/04]

    ...BUSH ORDERS RICE TO TESTIFY: "Today I have informed
    the Commission on Terrorist Attacks Against the United
    States that my National Security Advisor, Dr.
    Condoleezza Rice, will provide public testimony."
    [President Bush, 3/30/04]

    9. Science

    BUSH PLEDGES TO ISSUE REGULATIONS BASED ON
    SCIENCE..."I think we ought to have high standards set
    by agencies that rely upon science, not by what may
    feel good or what sounds good." [then-Governor George
    W. Bush, 1/15/00]

    ...BUSH ADMINISTRATION REGULATIONS IGNORE SCIENCE "60
    leading scientists-including Nobel laureates, leading
    medical experts, former federal agency directors and
    university chairs and presidents-issued a statement
    calling for regulatory and legislative action to
    restore scientific integrity to federal policymaking.
    According to the scientists, the Bush administration
    has, among other abuses, suppressed and distorted
    scientific analysis from federal agencies, and taken
    actions that have undermined the quality of scientific
    advisory panels." [Union of Concerned Scientists,
    2/18/04]

    10. Ahmed Chalabi

    BUSH INVITES CHALABI TO STATE OF THE UNION
    ADDRESS...President Bush also met with Chalabi during
    his brief trip to Iraq last Thanksgiving [White House
    Documents 1/20/04, 11/27/03]

    ...BUSH MILITARY ASSISTS IN RAID OF CHALABI'S HOUSE
    "U.S. soldiers raided the home of America's one-time
    ally Ahmad Chalabi on Thursday and seized documents
    and computers." [Washington Post, 5/20/04]
     
  2. LOTTERY

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    11. Department of Homeland Security

    BUSH OPPOSES THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND
    SECURITY..."So, creating a Cabinet office doesn't
    solve the problem. You still will have agencies within
    the federal government that have to be coordinated. So
    the answer is that creating a Cabinet post doesn't
    solve anything." [White House spokesman Ari Fleischer,
    3/19/02]

    ...BUSH SUPPORTS THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY
    "So tonight, I ask the Congress to join me in creating
    a single, permanent department with an overriding and
    urgent mission: securing the homeland of America and
    protecting the American people." [President Bush,
    Address to the Nation, 6/6/02]

    12. Weapons of Mass Destruction

    BUSH SAYS WE FOUND THE WEAPONS OF MASS
    DESTRUCTION..."We found the weapons of mass
    destruction. We found biological laboratories...for
    those who say we haven't found the banned
    manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're
    wrong, we found them." [President Bush, Interview in
    Poland, 5/29/03]

    ...BUSH SAYS WE HAVEN'T FOUND WEAPONS OF MASS
    DESTRUCTION "David Kay has found the capacity to
    produce weapons.And when David Kay goes in and says we
    haven't found stockpiles yet, and there's theories as
    to where the weapons went. They could have been
    destroyed during the war. Saddam and his henchmen
    could have destroyed them as we entered into Iraq.
    They could be hidden. They could have been transported
    to another country, and we'll find out." [President
    Bush, Meet the Press, 2/7/04]

    13. Free Trade

    BUSH SUPPORTS FREE TRADE... "I believe strongly that
    if we promote trade, and when we promote trade, it
    will help workers on both sides of this issue."
    [President Bush in Peru, 3/23/02]

    ...BUSH SUPPORTS RESTRICTIONS ON TRADE "In a decision
    largely driven by his political advisers, President
    Bush set aside his free-trade principles last year and
    imposed heavy tariffs on imported steel to help out
    struggling mills in Pennsylvania and West Virginia,
    two states crucial for his reelection." [Washington
    Post, 9/19/03]

    14. Osama Bin Laden

    BUSH WANTS OSAMA DEAD OR ALIVE... "I want justice. And
    there's an old poster out West, I recall, that says,
    'Wanted: Dead or Alive.'" [President Bush, on Osama
    Bin Laden, 09/17/01]

    ...BUSH DOESN'T CARE ABOUT OSAMA "I don't know where
    he is.You know, I just don't spend that much time on
    him... I truly am not that concerned about
    him."[President Bush, Press Conference, 3/13/02]

    15. The Environment

    BUSH SUPPORTS MANDATORY CAPS ON CARBON DIOXIDE... "[If
    elected], Governor Bush will work to...establish
    mandatory reduction targets for emissions of four main
    pollutants: sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxide, mercury
    and carbon dioxide." [Bush Environmental Plan,
    9/29/00]

    ...BUSH OPPOSES MANDATORY CAPS ON CARBON DIOXIDE "I do
    not believe, however, that the government should
    impose on power plants mandatory emissions reductions
    for carbon dioxide, which is not a 'pollutant' under
    the Clean Air Act." [President Bush, Letter to Sen.
    Chuck Hagel (R-NE), 3/13/03]

    16. WMD Commission

    BUSH RESISTS AN OUTSIDE INVESTIGATION ON WMD
    INTELLIGENCE FAILURE... "The White House immediately
    turned aside the calls from Kay and many Democrats for
    an immediate outside investigation, seeking to head
    off any new wide-ranging election-year inquiry that
    might go beyond reports already being assembled by
    congressional committees and the Central Intelligence
    Agency." [NY Times, 1/29/04]

    ...BUSH SUPPORTS AN OUTSIDE INVESTIGATION ON WMD
    INTELLIGENCE FAILURE "Today, by executive order, I am
    creating an independent commission, chaired by
    Governor and former Senator Chuck Robb, Judge Laurence
    Silberman, to look at American intelligence
    capabilities, especially our intelligence about
    weapons of mass destruction." [President Bush, 2/6/04]

    17. Creation of the 9/11 Commission

    BUSH OPPOSES CREATION OF INDEPENDENT 9/11
    COMMISSION... "President Bush took a few minutes
    during his trip to Europe Thursday to voice his
    opposition to establishing a special commission to
    probe how the government dealt with terror warnings
    before Sept. 11." [CBS News, 5/23/02]

    ...BUSH SUPPORTS CREATION OF INDEPENDENT 9/11
    COMMISSION "President Bush said today he now supports
    establishing an independent commission to investigate
    the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks." [ABC News, 09/20/02]

    18. Time Extension for 9/11 Commission

    BUSH OPPOSES TIME EXTENSION FOR 9/11 COMMISSION...
    "President Bush and House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert
    (R-Ill.) have decided to oppose granting more time to
    an independent commission investigating the Sept. 11,
    2001, attacks." [Washington Post, 1/19/04]

    ...BUSH SUPPORTS TIME EXTENSION FOR 9/11 COMMISSION
    "The White House announced Wednesday its support for a
    request from the commission investigating the
    September 11, 2001 attacks for more time to complete
    its work." [CNN, 2/4/04]

    19. One Hour Limit for 9/11 Commission Testimony

    BUSH LIMITS TESTIMONY IN FRONT OF 9/11 COMMISSION TO
    ONE HOUR... "President Bush and Vice President Dick
    Cheney have placed strict limits on the private
    interviews they will grant to the federal commission
    investigating the Sept. 11 attacks, saying that they
    will meet only with the panel's top two officials and
    that Mr. Bush will submit to only a single hour of
    questioning, commission members said Wednesday." [NY
    Times, 2/26/04]

    ...BUSH SETS NO TIMELIMIT FOR TESTIMONY "The
    president's going to answer all of the questions they
    want to raise. Nobody's watching the clock." [White
    House spokesman Scott McClellan, 3/10/04]

    20. Gay Marriage

    BUSH SAYS GAY MARRIAGE IS A STATE ISSUE... "The state
    can do what they want to do. Don't try to trap me in
    this state's issue like you're trying to get me into."
    [Gov. George W. Bush on Gay Marriage, Larry King Live,
    2/15/00]

    ...BUSH SUPPORTS CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT BANNING GAY
    MARRIAGE "Today I call upon the Congress to promptly
    pass, and to send to the states for ratification, an
    amendment to our Constitution defining and protecting
    marriage as a union of man and woman as husband and
    wife." [President Bush, 2/24/04]

    21. Nation Building

    BUSH OPPOSES NATION BUILDING... "If we don't stop
    extending our troops all around the world in
    nation-building missions, then we're going to have a
    serious problem coming down the road." [Gov. George W.
    Bush, 10/3/00]

    ...BUSH SUPPORTS NATION BUILDING "We will be changing
    the regime of Iraq, for the good of the Iraqi people."
    [President Bush, 3/6/03]

    22. Saddam/al Qaeda Link

    BUSH SAYS IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEEN AL
    QAEDA AND SADDAM... "You can't distinguish between al
    Qaeda and Saddam when you talk about the war on
    terror." [President Bush, 9/25/02]

    ...BUSH SAYS SADDAM HAD NO ROLE IN AL QAEDA PLOT
    "We've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was
    involved in Sept. 11." [President Bush, 9/17/03]

    23. U.N. Resolution

    BUSH VOWS TO HAVE A UN VOTE NO MATTER WHAT... "No
    matter what the whip count is, we're calling for the
    vote. We want to see people stand up and say what
    their opinion is about Saddam Hussein and the utility
    of the United Nations Security Council. And so, you
    bet. It's time for people to show their cards, to let
    the world know where they stand when it comes to
    Saddam." [President Bush 3/6/03]

    ...BUSH WITHDRAWS REQUEST FOR VOTE "At a National
    Security Council meeting convened at the White House
    at 8:55 a.m., Bush finalized the decision to withdraw
    the resolution from consideration and prepared to
    deliver an address to the nation that had already been
    written." [Washington Post, 3/18/03]

    24. Involvement in the Palestinian Conflict

    BUSH OPPOSES SUMMITS... "Well, we've tried summits in
    the past, as you may remember. It wasn't all that long
    ago where a summit was called and nothing happened,
    and as a result we had significant intifada in the
    area." [President Bush, 04/05/02]

    ...BUSH SUPPORTS SUMMITS "If a meeting advances
    progress toward two states living side by side in
    peace, I will strongly consider such a meeting. I'm
    committed to working toward peace in the Middle East."
    [President Bush, 5/23/03]

    25. Campaign Finance

    BUSH OPPOSES MCCAIN-FEINGOLD... "George W. Bush
    opposes McCain-Feingold...as an infringement on free
    expression." [Washington Post, 3/28/2000]

    ...BUSH SIGNS MCCAIN-FEINGOLD INTO LAW "[T]his bill
    improves the current system of financing for Federal
    campaigns, and therefore I have signed it into law."
    [President Bush, at the McCain-Feingold signing
    ceremony, 03/27/02]
     
  3. martin

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    i would have read this is it was something you had to say rather than a long boring copy and paste.
     
  4. ElvisFan

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    So what's your point? I mean, that's no defense of Kerry. Are you advocating switching one flip-flopper for another?
     
  5. ElvisFan

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    Aside from the fact that it's been posted already.
     
  6. LOTTERY

    LOTTERY Founding Member

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    You radicals amaze me. When you call Kerry a flip flopper you're being hypocritical. Thats what I'm proving.
     
  7. LOTTERY

    LOTTERY Founding Member

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    Well, you need to read it again and again b/c you obviously don't get the point.
     
  8. ElvisFan

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    And that's the only defense of Kerry you have. We call Kerry a flip-flopper, then you retort "well, Bush does it, too"...like that makes it all right for Kerry to do it. Very weak. Shows poor debating skills.
     
  9. LOTTERY

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    I'm not defending Kerry's changes in position. The problem is radicals go out proclaiming about Kerry being a flip flopper. They're hypocrites. The way I support kerry is by pointing to the issues and his character. Thats where he destroys Bush.
     
  10. ElvisFan

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    Then you've already lost.
     

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