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roygu · Mar 1, 2005

You must have a player that sees the floor and can make the play in order to look like a Coach. Do you remeber the role Rickey Blanton played when he and CJ were leading LSU? Blanton could take the ball make a pass, set a screen and fill the lane. When he left we had all those talented freshmen and no one could do all the things Blanton could do.

Once LSU gets a point guard that sees the entire court and a shooting guard that can shoot like the guy at Duke it opens many options. I remember when Stromile was playing with Beshera, J Smith and that group we ran set plays out of bounds that were extremely successful.

We are not that far away. Maybe Voogd will be the answer.

Jeffinbama · Mar 1, 2005

most of you are better qualified to keep x's and o's in your tic-tac-toe games.

If any of you follow college basketball and understand it... defense rules in college basketball now. Hard defense makes it difficult for teams to run the sets they are trying to run. Too much one on one ball being played for my tastes. Kids these days watch ESPN and think that being a good offensive player means dunking the ball. See the NBA now that almost 3 players per team are from Croatia etc. (read this line again)

Offensive skills are a lost art. Being a good fundamental basketball player is not important anymore. How often do you see a guy being able to drive and put up a jumper? They are few and far between.

If you want good x's and o's go to watch the womens games. They play fundamental basketball like it used to be.

USChater · Mar 1, 2005

TD TIGER said:

First of all, let me state my position. For the first 4 years of Brady's tenure, I was a huge supporter - went to the open practices, all the games, etc. After watching his teams overachieve on heart and hustle for the first two years, I was bigtime on board, but once the talent started trickling in, his weaknesses started to become more and more glaring. Now, while I will never waver as an LSU basketball fan, I think Brady is a lousy coach. We can talk about recruiting, attrition, and attitude all day, but in the end these are still somewhat subjective. So, I'd like to get a conversation going about the heart of what makes a good basketball coach - the Xs and Os.

Like I said, I've watched Brady's teams from the beginning, and while you can't judge him on some of the years, the thing I've noticed about all of the years is that the primary offense and defense hasn't changed. And I'm not talking about up tempo or slow-paced. I'm talking about when we get into a half-court set. The fact of the matter is, we stand around, rely on one or two people to create, and don't have an effective offense. Well-coached teams have exposed this over and over. We don't have but maybe one or two plays, and those are run once or twice a game out of timeouts or an occassional out of bounds situation. And, the thing that I really don't understand is that when we have a lead, any size lead at all, with under 5 minutes to go, we go into this spread offense that relies on a bailout play. This is no way to win games. In fact, it's a surefire way to lose over the long-haul.

Now, before you go attacking me, let me also say this. I live in Big 12 country now and watch a ton of games in general. I'm not sure who created the idea that Rick Barnes is such a great coach, but with the talent he has had (not neccessarily this year), he should have won a ton more games. Last night I was watching UT get throttled by OU, and I started seeing the same deficiencies that have plagued Brady's teams. No movement, no plays, just a poor offense that when the shooting is not there, really struggles. So I'm not saying that there are better coaches everywhere, I'm not that stupid. But, what we have now, will continue to fail in the long-run, or in a tourney run.

Also, I don't think this is entirely an offensive problem. Brady preaches "tough, be tough" - just ask any players that have gone through his system. He thinks that being tough is all there is to defense, well it's not. Good positioning and team defense is what wins ballgames. Go watch some film and you will see more and more examples of this.

So Brady supporters and bashers, please, no dancing around the other issues, let's talk Xs and Os.
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I could not agree with you anymore. I feel the same way about Brady. I will support him and the team but you said exactly what I think.

USChater · Mar 1, 2005

SabanFan said:

TD Tiger: You're a fan. Nothing more. You are not qualified to speak to the abilities of a div 1 coach who has proven, yes, I said proven, that he can coach. Your dissatisfaction is based upon the fact that he gets beat on occasion. You are a typical bad fan who doesn't understand that you are going to get beat once in a while. I think your premise is ridiculous and is not based on fact. You are a whiner trying to sound smart. Dismissed.
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Hold on now. I got an email from tejas tiger telling me not to name call on this site. He said we all have opinions so I sure hope u get the same email I got or is your opinion better than the rest of us.

USChater · Mar 1, 2005

And one more thing. I am qualified to disscuss Brady's performance. I coached against him when I was a coach at Eunice High and he was at Crowley High. I agree with some of the points TD Tiger made. That doesnt mean I know more than Brady and Im sure I dont. But if your going to tell me he is a great x and o coach I disagree. Anyway, I am pulling like hell for him and the team.

Dirt Dog · Mar 1, 2005

I know Brady used a 5 out series when he first got started here, didn't have a big man. He has gone to some 4 out 1 in, and recently even 3 out 2 in with Big Baby and Basss on the blocks. When watching the games on tv, it's hard to see what they are running, better to go to the games to see the movement.

Man Offense - with what I have seen over the years, he runs a motion offense, rather than a continuity offense, like the Flex which Bama was running a good bit last week.

Zone Offense - he runs a variety of things like motion, short corner, hi-lo, and overload. Against a zone I wish more players would flash to the high post more, don't see enough of that.

SabanFan · Mar 2, 2005

USChater said:

And one more thing. I am qualified to discuss Brady's performance. I coached against him when I was a coach at Eunice High and he was at Crowley High.
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What are you doing now and what is Brady doing now? :dis:

Hold on now. I got an email from tejas tiger telling me not to name call on this site. He said we all have opinions so I sure hope u get the same email I got or is your opinion better than the rest of us.
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I called him a bad fan, which he appears to be. And, yes, my opinion is better than the rest because I am "The Voice of Reason". :hihi:

USChater · Mar 2, 2005

SabanFan said:

What are you doing now and what is Brady doing now? :dis:

I called him a bad fan, which he appears to be. And, yes, my opinion is better than the rest because I am "The Voice of Reason". :hihi:
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Aren't you supposed to be on a Dolphin's web site or something.:hihi: :geauxtige

BigMamou · Mar 2, 2005

tirk said:

you may have had a valid point til LSU went on an 11 of 14 wins run against all SEC teams and Ohio State. Its a good thing they all have crappy coaches and our players win on sheer talent in spite of our coaching staff.

go piss on someone else's parade. preferably a big 12 one, namely texas.

Id rather win the conference with our shi*#y coach than lose with a great one anyday.

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Tirk I love ya man, you pulled the word right out of my mouth. Just win Baby. I hate these proud UT fan here in Austin they are "so great" but never win due to some BS....

MiketheTiger69 · Mar 2, 2005

Jeffinbama said:

most of you are better qualified to keep x's and o's in your tic-tac-toe games.

If any of you follow college basketball and understand it... defense rules in college basketball now. Hard defense makes it difficult for teams to run the sets they are trying to run. Too much one on one ball being played for my tastes. Kids these days watch ESPN and think that being a good offensive player means dunking the ball. See the NBA now that almost 3 players per team are from Croatia etc. (read this line again)

Offensive skills are a lost art. Being a good fundamental basketball player is not important anymore. How often do you see a guy being able to drive and put up a jumper? They are few and far between.

If you want good x's and o's go to watch the womens games. They play fundamental basketball like it used to be.
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The difference between this team now (winning) and earlier (losing) is DEFENSE. Every coach who knows anything from John Wooden to your basic little league coach will tell you that DEFENSE wins games and that playing defense is an attitude, you have to really want to do it and you have to work at it. Dale Brown used to preach this constantly. Most players today are lazy when it comes to playing defense, thinking they can make up for it on the offensive end. No matter how talented a player is offensively, if he doesn't play the other end aggressively, he (and the team) is not going to be successful. These players seem to have finally figured that out and I am sure JB has been preaching that all along, but if they won't listen, he and the other coaches can preach it til they are blue in the face and and it won't matter.