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How would you summarize Les Miles coaching performance after three games?

A work in progress. He's in a difficult situation from an expectation standpoint. Anything less than a strong run at a national championship will be considered a huge disappointment. I felt going into the season that it would be difficult for things to mesh quickly enough to take advantage of the outstanding talent that LSU has. What he has to do is focus on getting his team focused and not letting the negativity from the fans and media get to them and cause a distraction. Saban was great at putting the administration, the media and fans in their place. Les does not have that type of personality and will have to deal with it his way.

Do LSU fans think more of the team's current talent than what is actually there and was it fool hearty to think this team should be in the national title hunt with the losses of Webster, Daniels, Spears and Alley Broussard's injury?

There is a lot of talent on hand (best in the SEC and top 5 nationally). Expectations were high as Saban left the program in such great shape but as good as Miles can and likely will be at LSU, he will not be another Saban. Nick was unique and while the program will likely have great success under Miles, I don't expect them to have top 3 recruiting classes and compete for national championships regularly. It's certainly possible but not as likely because Saban's ability to develop and utilize personnel and well as adjust schematically week to week is rare. That is being felt at the highest level of football right now. The culture around the program is also not as good. Saban not only knew what needed to be done on and off the field with the football program but also had full autonomy to do whatever he chose to. Not only is Saban gone but that organizational structure is as well.
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I sure hope this guy is wrong...

locoguano, Oct 7, 2005

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tirk im the lyrical jessie james

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comments about saban you mean.

tirk, Oct 7, 2005

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tirk said:

comments about saban you mean.
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I was trying to figure out when Saban started talking in the third person. :hihi:

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saltyone said:

I was trying to figure out when Saban started talking in the third person. :hihi:
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loco=USL like sabanfan.

'nuff said. :hihi: :hihi:

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Since when did Saban compete for MNC regularly?

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Do LSU fans think more of the team's current talent than what is actually there and was it fool hearty to think this team should be in the national title hunt with the losses of Webster, Daniels, Spears and Alley Broussard's injury?

There is a lot of talent on hand (best in the SEC and top 5 nationally). Expectations were high as Saban left the program in such great shape but as good as Miles can and likely will be at LSU, he will not be another Saban. Nick was unique and while the program will likely have great success under Miles, I don't expect them to have top 3 recruiting classes and compete for national championships regularly. It's certainly possible but not as likely because Saban's ability to develop and utilize personnel and well as adjust schematically week to week is rare. That is being felt at the highest level of football right now. The culture around the program is also not as good. Saban not only knew what needed to be done on and off the field with the football program but also had full autonomy to do whatever he chose to. Not only is Saban gone but that organizational structure is as well.
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Yet another person who failed to realize that this team was POTENTIAL, not completely talent. I do expect Miles to have very, very good recruiting classes. He's been impressive so far, and once he gets a few wins under his belt, and becomes more familiar with Louisiana highschools & recruiting, he should be outstanding at recruiting. As loco mentioned, Nick never competed for national championships regularly. To expect Miles to might be excessive. Saban didn't develop & utilize personnel that well last year. It was a young team & it showed - even Saban wasn't able to make them perform like Heisman candidates. His abilities are being exaggerated here. I don't think we yet know how well Miles will be able to influence factors outside of football like Saban did, the football operations center etc. Although I agree this was one of Saban's strong points, but Miles seems to embrace it.

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saltyone said:

I was trying to figure out when Saban started talking in the third person. :hihi:
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What you didn't see him start that in '04? :grin:

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CParso said:

Yet another person who failed to realize that this team was POTENTIAL, not completely talent. I do expect Miles to have very, very good recruiting classes. He's been impressive so far, and once he gets a few wins under his belt, and becomes more familiar with Louisiana highschools & recruiting, he should be outstanding at recruiting. As loco mentioned, Nick never competed for national championships regularly. To expect Miles to might be excessive. Saban didn't develop & utilize personnel that well last year. It was a young team & it showed - even Saban wasn't able to make them perform like Heisman candidates. His abilities are being exaggerated here. I don't think we yet know how well Miles will be able to influence factors outside of football like Saban did, the football operations center etc. Although I agree this was one of Saban's strong points, but Miles seems to embrace it.
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the circus on the sidelines and the confusion in his comments are plenty enough to recognize the difference between saban and miles. this argument is ridiculous. if you wish to argue miles will improve well let's hope so. anything else is not worth comparing football-wise.

being outcoached by phat phil is not something I've witnessed before. thats not a good sign.

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tirk said:

the circus on the sidelines and the confusion in his comments are plenty enough to recognize the difference between saban and miles. this argument is ridiculous. if you wish to argue miles will improve well let's hope so. anything else is not worth comparing football-wise.

being outcoached by phat phil is not something I've witnessed before. thats not a good sign.
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I'm not arguing whether Miles is or is not as good, much less better, of a coach than Saban. I'm refutting parts of this guy's argument. Things didn't look good during the Tennessee game - I agree, but there have been times in Saban's tenure that didn't look good either. All i'm saying is that the man deserves more than 3 games to be judged on.

Being outcoached by phat phil is something most football fans have witnessed before. The man does have a national championship to his name, just like Saban, and has one of the highest winning percentages in the SEC, if not the highest (I can't recall). That doesn't happen without a little bit of coaching prowess.

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tirk said:

being outcoached by phat phil is not something I've witnessed before. thats not a good sign.
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Despite you thinking he is a moron, he does have a national title!

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