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David Schippers contends OKC bomber part of Islamic, not 'right-wing,' plot

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saltyone So Mote It Be

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I found this very interesting. I'm sure some will call it typical conspiracy theorist garbage...but it's still interesting non-the-less.

Responding to the Obama administration's attempt to justify a controversial "right-wing extremism" report by citing Timothy McVeigh, a counter-terrorism group has posted a video statement by a prominent Democrat investigator who contends the Oklahoma City bomb plot was hatched not by right-wingers but by Islamic jihadists.

David Schippers, the chief counsel for the 1998 impeachment trial of President Clinton, probed the bombing with investigative reporter Jayna Davis, author of "The Third Terrorist: The Middle Eastern Connection to the Oklahoma City Bombing", by WND Books. Davis asserts McVeigh and Terry Nichols were not the lone conspirators but part of a greater scheme involving Islamic terrorists and at least one provable link to Iraq.

The explosion April 19, 1995, at the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building killed 168 people, including 19 children, and injured another 684.

In the video, released by America's Truth Forum, Schippers says there's "no question the Oklahoma City bombing was a part of a state-sponsored attack on the heartland of the United States."

"I have been asked about the Oklahoma bombing and whether there was any kind of federal cover-up. The simple and direct answer is yes," he said. "Unquestionably, a federal cover-up beginning in 1995 and continuing to today."

As WND reported last week, a spokesman for the Department of Homeland Security cited McVeigh as a reason that "right wing" interests must be monitored closely by his agency.

Agency spokesman Sean Smith told talk-radio host and WND columnist Roger Hedgecock, "There was a very tragic example of a threat that was realized and materialized in this country, almost 14 years ago to the day, in Oklahoma City. I'm talking about Tim McVeigh."

Hedgecock was the first to expose the Department of Homeland Security report on "right-wing extremism" that pointed to a potential threat from returning war veterans, abortion opponents, gun-rights advocates and supporters of third-party candidates, among others.

Smith emphasized the Oklahoma bombing was carried out "by someone who unfortunately was a returning vet."

America's Truth Forum President Jeffrey Epstein was among the critics of the DHS report.

"Taking a lesson from history, one can clearly gauge the health of a nation by the way it treats its servicemen," he said.

Epstein called Homeland Secretary Janet Napolitano's targeting of "our nation's heroes" a "revolting and groundless assertion based solely upon the government's flawed OKC bombing investigation."

"In doing so, Napolitano recklessly ignored the fact that despite Bill Clinton's best efforts, ties couldn't be established between Timothy McVeigh and right-wing extremist groups," Epstein said. "Perhaps, the 'real' enemies of our state are at the helm."

Epstein said the Schippers video was produced several years ago, but it has been publicly released for the first time. Schippers, a Chicago-based attorney, recently affirmed that he stands by the statements, Epstein said.

Schippers says in the taped interview the FBI inexplicably closed its probe into the infamous "John Doe No. 2" suspect despite numerous witnesses he interviewed who identified a "foreign-looking man" with McVeigh immediately before the bombing.

Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-Calif., who produced a report two years ago on the alleged foreign-link to the bombing, told WND he experienced a "high level of frustration" during his own investigation "with how many people, from local newspapers to the FBI, to just even other members of Congress, who are just anxious not to even give another look at this monstrous crime that really appears to be unresolved."

Rohrabacher attributes some of opposition to people in a bureaucracy trying to cover up incompetence and bad decisions. But his report offers insight into the mindset of the Clinton administration, suggesting the former president did not want to confront the possibility Islamic terrorists – and ultimately a Middle Eastern state – were involved.

It's now clear, Rohrabacher told WND at the time, that the Clinton administration had "an aversion to any type of efforts by our government that would in some way require the use of force against foreign enemies, and especially in the Middle East."

Schippers points out McVeigh partner Nichols made several trips to the Philippines prior to the bombing, and there is evidence he met with Islamic jihadists tied to al-Qaida.

Former Clinton counter-terrorism official Richard Clarke notes in his book "Against All Enemies" that Nichols was in the Philippines in the same city at the same time as Ramzi Yousef, who was convicted of participation in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing.

"We do know that Nichols' bombs did not work before his Philippine stay and were deadly when he returned," Clarke writes.

Schippers also points out Yossef Bodansky, the director of the Congressional Task Force on Terrorism and Unconventional Warfare, issued a warning two months prior to the Oklahoma City bombing that Iran-sponsored Islamist terrorists had recruited 'two lily whites' – people like McVeigh and Nichols – to carry out the bombing of an American federal building.

Schippers contends the FBI failed to establish a tie between McVeigh and right-wing militias. Some independent investigators dispute that, including Jesse Trentadue, a Salt Lake City attorney who believes McVeigh was aided by a white supremacist group that had been infiltrated by the FBI.
Trentadue obtained FBI documents in his Freedom of Information Act suit against the agency, which he says bolster his belief the FBI had prior knowledge of the bombing.

Davis, who began her investigation while covering the bombing as a local TV reporter, dismisses the theory centered on a German national who was in the U.S. illegally in 1995, Andreas Carl Strassmeier, and domestic neo-Nazis at a white supremacist compound in Oklahoma called Elohim City.

"FBI agents have testified the neo-Nazi, Elohim City connection is nothing more than a dry hole," Davis argues. "There's not one motel log, one phone log, one fingerprint or eyewitness account that can tie any of these Nazi conspirators or Strassmeier to overt commission of a crime."
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saltyone, Apr 23, 2009

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PURPLE TIGER HOPE is not a strategy!

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I don't know about this theory but considering conservative military veterans as potential terrorists is not sitting well with many people.

Canada isn't real happy right now either when a top ranked U.S. official makes uninformed, incorrect comments about 9/11 terrorists and their entry from Canada. Another appointee with issues will continue to hurt this administration's reputation and credibility.

I'm curious why this administration has not released any terror warnings regarding the groups that have demonstrated their ability to terrorize this country. ALF, ELF, and PETA quickly come to mind. I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact these groups are left-wing extremists. :wink:

The timing of the release was also a coincedence I guess. :wink:

PURPLE TIGER, Apr 23, 2009

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Another anonymous blog with no citation for the "evidence" suggested. Didn't we shoot down one of these this week already?

red55, Apr 23, 2009

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saltyone So Mote It Be

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red55 said: ↑

Another anonymous blog with no citation for the "evidence" suggested. Didn't we shoot down one of these this week already?
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Bullcrap red...each source is named. Some sources state opinions...but they use specific reports or individuals that support their opinion. There isn't always a smoking gun. There is nothing "anonymous" about the article and there is plenty of citation for the "evidence".

saltyone, Apr 23, 2009

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PURPLE TIGER said: ↑

Canada isn't real happy right now either when a top ranked U.S. official makes uninformed, incorrect comments about 9/11 terrorists and their entry from Canada. Another appointee with issues will continue to hurt this administration's reputation and credibility.
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I believe that official was none other than Hillary Clinton.

Krypto, Apr 23, 2009

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saltyone So Mote It Be

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Krypto said: ↑

I believe that official was none other than Hillary Clinton.
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Actually it was our Department of Homeland Security Secretary - Janet Napolitano.

saltyone, Apr 23, 2009

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Then I am wrong. I heard the story on Lou Dobbs yesterday and they were running a story about her having to try to correct the misspeak. I swear they said that she was trying to correct her own error.

Krypto, Apr 23, 2009

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saltyone said: ↑

I'm sure some will call it typical conspiracy theorist garbage...
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as someone who has had a lot of interest in this subject, and followed it and all the theories closesly, i will call it just that.

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saltyone So Mote It Be

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OkieTiger said: ↑

as someone who has had a lot of interest in this subject, and followed it and all the theories closesly, i will call it just that.
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Details please. What evidence disproves this theory? I'm really just curious.

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I like it when the nuts speak up. It makes it easier to track their location...

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