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tigermark · Sep 13, 2004

I-of-the-Tygrr said:

Don't strain yourself over a simple concept. I said I personally think Russell gives us the best chance to win, but I trust Saban to do what's best for the team. You see, me saying Russell gives us the best chance to win is my OPINION. Ever heard of one? Also, Saban starting Randall doesn't mean he thinks that Randall gives us the best chance to win.

I know what you were trying to do, but you failed.
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I am not the one trying to be complicated. You are the one trying to pull a little double speak. So let me try this again...

1. You trust Saban to do what is best for the team.
2. In your opinion, Saban is starting someone that does not give us the best chance to win

Therefore

3. What is best for the team is to start someone that does not give us the best chance to win.

Sounds simple to me. :rofl:

So let's leave that simple concept and try that simple question again. Either you think Saban is wrong for starting MR or you think he is right. Which is it? I am pretty sure that your answer is that it is your opinion that he is wrong. That is fine, I would respect that if that was what you were trying to say. Just don't try to sugar coat it.

TigerEducated · Sep 13, 2004

Marine Tiger...Are you HT?

MarineTiger · Sep 13, 2004

Just finished up 18 months in Iraq and am back training new recruits in a specific division. I am basically done by original service but will report back in several months for more training back in Baghdad.

Tygrr · Sep 14, 2004

JSracingBBF said:

So let me get this straight, In your Opinion Saban Might be starting a QB that he doesn't think Gives LSU the best chance to win? You do realize this is big time college football right and not checkers with your granny? :dis:
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Saban may be starting Randall not because he gives us the best chance to win out of the two qbs, but cause it takes the pressure off of the rookie knowing he doesn't have to start.

Tygrr · Sep 14, 2004

tigermark said:

I am not the one trying to be complicated. You are the one trying to pull a little double speak. So let me try this again...

1. You trust Saban to do what is best for the team.
2. In your opinion, Saban is starting someone that does not give us the best chance to win

Therefore

3. What is best for the team is to start someone that does not give us the best chance to win.

Sounds simple to me. :rofl:

So let's leave that simple concept and try that simple question again. Either you think Saban is wrong for starting MR or you think he is right. Which is it? I am pretty sure that your answer is that it is your opinion that he is wrong. That is fine, I would respect that if that was what you were trying to say. Just don't try to sugar coat it.
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Wow, are you really this slow or are you just high on medication?

Ok, this is real simple, even for those that rode in on the short bus (mark):

If you ask me who I think gives us the best chance to win at qb...my answer will be RUSSELL.

Now if Saban feels it necessary to start Randall(like he's been doing), then put Russell in, then I have full faith that he knows what he's doing. DO YOU GET IT NOW?

IN MY OPINION, RUSSELL IS THE QB THAT GIVES US THE BETTER CHANCE TO WIN. You do realize that I'm entitled to one, right?

You see mark, we as LSU fans and Americans have OPINIONS, whether those OPINIONS are right or wrong is up for debate. That's what this board is for. If you think my opinion is wrong then fine, but those of you who offer zero opinons(mark) need to just move on. Maybe Saban thinks my opinion is wrong and that's fine cause I fully trust that he'll do whats best for the team. G-E-T it N-O-W? :dis:

bubbafong · Sep 14, 2004

I-of-the-Tygrr said:

That's a poor example. You can't compare Flynn(never played

I-of-the-Tygrr said:

collegiately) to Randall who has played plenty. Just a poor example.
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Actually it's a perfect example. I was not comparing Randall to Flynn. I was just saying that to say that Randall "just doesn't have it" over his performance 2 years ago was about as accurate as if you said Flynn doesn't have it after his performance last week. My point was not to compare Randall and Flynn, but to compare the fairness of your evaluation. Both are ridiculous at this point, so it's a perfect example.

I-of-the-Tygrr said:

Another poor example. Green has proven himself. Green was the number one return man in the country last season. Another poor example.
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Again, it's a perfect example. You're right, Green has proven himself, and yet even he didn't have a good game against Oregon State. Our team in general just didn't play well that night. No one on the field looked impressive in the first half against Oregon State, including Green, who basically handed them 7 points. So it's a perfect example.

I-of-the-Tygrr said:

I have seen him play in many games and he just doesn't look comfortable as the qb. He just doesn't. How many games are we gonna have to witness before we say that he just doesn't have it? We've seen him play 8 so far. Is that not enough to draw an accurate assessment?
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My point is, you can't overlook the rest of the teams poor showings against OSU, but use the first half of the game as proof positive that Randall "doesn't have it". If you don't use that, you have to go back to last year, where he basically only had mop up duty (see what I said about Flynn above). Okay, so if you can't use that to prove your point, what do you have? The 6 games he started 2 years ago, when he was young, completely inexperienced, and thrown into the starting job against the toughest part of our SEC schedule. And even if you do, he didn't do that bad. He went 2 and 4, and that's not really that bad under those circumstances. Yes the Kentucky game was a hail mary, but he actually played pretty well, and we were leading most of the game, and our defense let them back in it. Plus, don't forget the Arkansas game, when we would have won except for the blown pass coverage in the final minute.

So no, I don't think we've seen quite enough to get an accurate and FAIR assessment of his ablilities as a QB. Not enough to say that he "just doesn't have it".
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SpringTiger · Sep 14, 2004

I'll add my $.02 worth: Though I do believe that JR is the better qb, right now I do not believe it is by much. I have absolutely no problem with MR starting and JR coming in off the bench, as long as JR does get some significant PT. For one thing, I trust any decisions made by Saban and his coaches. Further, I believe that it takes some pressure off of JR while it also allows him to watch from the sideline first and talk to his coaches upstairs who can really see what the defense is doing. I believe this is all particularly so and very important in the kid's first conference game and first road game. And, it's not just any conference opponent. It's the Allbarn dam war eagles dam plainmen, dam tigers. The d ones; the sometimes dreaded ones, who are quickly evolving into our biggest rival (if they haven't already), and generally our biggest competition in the West.

And, heck, if we have to have a starter and then a reliever, and then have the other guy come back in to close it, then so be it. This ain't baseball, they can do that!!! :hihi: :grin: :hihi:

Tygrr · Sep 14, 2004

Bubbafong,

I won't debate most of your post cause it's obvious that we see this from two different points of view. I still don't agree that comparing the few minutes Flynn played to the many games Randall played. It's two very different situations. I agree that saying Flynn doesn't have it at this point would be ludicrous to say the least. I don't think it's the same as saying Randall doesn't have it at this point. Flynn played only a few downs and Randall played many games, there's a huge difference. One can certainly gather a more accurate assessment from 8 games as opposed to a few downs. So I still think your example of Flynn is poor. I will just agree to disagree.

:geaux: :geaux: :geaux:

SpringTiger · Sep 14, 2004

bubbafong said:

No one on the field looked impressive in the first half against Oregon State, including Green, who basically handed them 7 points.
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As I recall, after a couple of penalties, OSU had first down and 35 to go from midfield and they converted the first down and continued to march all the way from there to the end zone. So, I wouldn't say that Green handed them any points. The defense has to share some culpability for that 7 points (it was actually 6 points) as they allowed OSU to do it. And, it's not as if they had just been on the field and were tired. It was the beginning of the game. Granted, the kick returner put the defense in a bad spot. But the defense then got breaks with the penalties, but failed to do their job - which should have been, following the penalty, to hold them to a FG try. I do have to give a lot of credit to OSU's play selection and , though. They really took advantage of the field conditions on that first series of the season. And they were pretty fired up. I'm not certain that LSU would have stopped them had they had to go 70 or 80 yards on that first possession.

Chip82 · Sep 14, 2004

Saban just realizes that JR is going to be facing some much better defensive units.

I have aways felt that Saban seems to deal with most things starting from a defensive perspective.

That was especially true when LSU dismantled Illinois in the Sugar Bowl a few years ago.

So...

Saban wants him to start thinking about how to systematically beat a defense rather than to just execute offensive plays from the hip.