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The Real Story of SEAL rescue?

Discussion in 'Free Speech Alley' started by SabanFan, Apr 21, 2009.

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SabanFan The voice of reason

I cannot vouch for the veracity, however, I'm passing this email I received along in order to stimulate discussion :yelwink2:

OK folks, since I was in Special Operations and worked with SEALS and DELTA for about 12 years, here is the

rest of the story concerning the Somali pirate situation.

BHO = Barrack H Obama

DEVGRU=Development Group ...the old Seal team 6 out of the Norfolk area...probably the best of the best

NSWC=Navy Special Warfare Command

ROE=Rules of Engagement

RIB=Ridged Inflatable Boat Obama

OSC=On Scene Commander

CPN=is probably the Captain of the Bainbridge

CDR=Commander

OpArea= Operations Area

Having spoken to some SEAL pals here in Virginia Beach yesterday and asking why this thing dragged out for 4 days, I got the following:

1. BHO wouldn't authorize the DEVGRU/NSWC SEAL teams to the scene for 36 hours going against OSC (on scene commander) recommendation.
2. Once they arrived, BHO imposed restrictions on their ROE that they couldn't do anything unless the hostage's life was in "imminent" danger
3. The first time the hostage jumped, the SEALS had the raggies all sighted in, but could not fire due to ROE restriction
4. When the navy RIB came under fire as it approached with supplies, no fire was returned due to ROE restrictions. As the raggies were shooting at the RIB, they were exposed and the SEALS had them all dialed in.
5. BHO specifically denied two rescue plans developed by the Bainbridge CPN and SEAL teams
6. Bainbridge CPN and SEAL team CDR finally decide they have the OpArea and OSC authority to solely determine risk to hostage. 4 hours later, 3 dead raggies
7. BHO immediately claims credit for his "daring and decisive" behaviour.
Read the following accurate account.

Philips’ first leap into the warm, dark water of the Indian Ocean hadn’t worked out as well. With the
Bainbridge in range and a rescue by his country’s Navy possible, Philips threw himself off of his
lifeboat prison, enabling Navy shooters onboard the destroyer a clear shot at his captors — and none
was taken.

The guidance from National Command Authority — the president of the United States ,
Barack Obama — had been clear: a peaceful solution was the only acceptable outcome to this standoff
unless the hostage’s life was in clear, extreme danger.

The next day, a small Navy boat approaching the floating raft was fired on by the Somali pirates — and
again no fire was returned and no pirates killed. This was again due to the cautious stance assumed by
Navy personnel thanks to the combination of a lack of clear guidance from Washington and a mandate
from the commander in chief’s staff not to act until Obama, a man with no background of dealing with
such issues and no track record of decisiveness, decided that any outcome other than a “peaceful
solution” would be acceptable.

After taking fire from the Somali kidnappers again Saturday night, the onscenecommander decided
he’d had enough.

Keeping his authority to act in the case of a clear and present danger to the hostage’s
life and having heard nothing from Washington since yet another request to mount a rescue operation
had been denied the day before, the Navy officer — unnamed in all media reports to date — decided
the AK47 one captor had leveled at Philips’ back was a threat to the hostage’s life and ordered the
NSWC team to take their shots.

Three rounds downrange later, all three brigands became enemy KIA and Philips was safe.

There is upside, downside, and spinside to the series of events over the last week that culminated in
yesterday’s dramatic rescue of an American hostage.

Almost immediately following word of the rescue, the Obama administration and its supporters claimed
victory against pirates in the Indian Ocean and [1] declared that the dramatic end to the standoff put
paid to questions of the inexperienced president’s toughness and decisiveness.

Despite the Obama administration’s (and its sycophants’) attempt to spin yesterday’s success as a result
of bold, decisive leadership by the inexperienced president, the reality is nothing of the sort.
What should have been a standoff lasting only hours — as long as it took the USS Bainbridge and its
team of NSWC operators to steam to the location — became an embarrassing four day and counting
standoff between a ragtag handful of criminals with rifles and a U.S. Navy warship.
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SabanFan, Apr 21, 2009

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luvdimtigers Founding Member

Wow, a letter posted by you that makes Obama look bad.

I'm stunned.

Fox News repoted that the Seals were not on site when he jumped in the water.

luvdimtigers, Apr 21, 2009

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CajunlostinCali Booger Eatin Moron

Rules of engagement, it's not the first time from any administration and it won't be the last. Should this policy be implemented in Iraq or Afghanistan, wake me up.

Kudos to the commanders in the field in showing their experience in making those ROE decisions otherwise it may very well have taken weeks. I do agree with the notion that if you bring your toys, you have brought the show. It is never fun waiting in the field for policy to develop, particularly over some ass wipes in a dinghy.

CajunlostinCali, Apr 21, 2009

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SabanFan The voice of reason

luvdimtigers said: ↑

Wow, a letter posted by you that makes Obama look bad.

I'm stunned.

Fox News repoted that the Seals were not on site when he jumped in the water.
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Actually, there were several disparaging remarks about Obama in there that I deleted in the interest of fairness. This was not intended to be a bash Obama thread, however, I feel that his lack of experience in this area is an area of concern and should be discussed. Still, I can list the TF members who will dismiss this with your attitude.

Fox News wasn't there. The SEALs were.

SabanFan, Apr 21, 2009

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LSUMASTERMIND Founding Member

I'll believe it when someone actually reports it, its just to discredit him whether you left out other remarks or not. Poor attempt to be unbiased.

LSUMASTERMIND, Apr 21, 2009

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SabanFan The voice of reason

LSUMASTERMIND said: ↑

I'll believe it when someone actually reports it, its just to discredit him whether you left out other remarks or not. Poor attempt to be unbiased.
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I'm not claiming to be unbiased; just fair.

SabanFan, Apr 21, 2009

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LSUMASTERMIND Founding Member

lol and you separate the two.
Fair is actually giving credit when its due.

LSUMASTERMIND, Apr 21, 2009

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red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

Another anonymous blog . . . :dis:

7. BHO immediately claims credit for his "daring and decisive" behavior.
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When did he do this? He didn't! This is what Obama "immediately" said.

"I am very pleased that Captain Phillips has been rescued and is safely on board the USS Boxer. His safety has been our principal concern, and I know this is a welcome relief to his family and his crew.

I am also very proud of the efforts of the U.S. military and many other departments and agencies who worked tirelessly to secure Captain Phillips’s safe recovery.

We remain resolved to halt the rise of piracy in this region. To achieve that goal, we must continue to work with our partners to prevent future attacks, be prepared to interdict acts of piracy and ensure that those who commit acts of piracy are held accountable for their crimes.

I share the country’s admiration for the bravery of Captain Phillips and his selfless concern for his crew. His courage is a model for all Americans."
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red55, Apr 21, 2009

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SabanFan The voice of reason

red55 said: ↑

Another anonymous blog . . . :dis:
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It wasn't a blog and it wasn't anonymous.

SabanFan, Apr 21, 2009

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red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

SabanFan said: ↑

It wasn't a blog and it wasn't anonymous.
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Funny, . . . I didn't see any citation or byline there anywhere. Google says it came from this blog:

http://living-by-chance.blogspot.com/2009/04/somali-pirate-seizure.html

...By this blogger, a anonymous middle-aged chalk salesman in California. His interests include military history, Pink Floyd, hummingbirds, and Jupiter.

http://www.blogger.com/profile/05538854359365988863

red55, Apr 21, 2009

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