requires groundtroops. And if the Iraquis fight like the devil, that will take a long, long time and be pretty bloody. I hope our intelligence that they won't is correct. It probably is. Still, I can't help but think to the 1940s when russians, ruled by stalin, fought like the devil (and thank goodness they did). Now of course there are 2 immense differences: 1)Hitler was doing the invading; 2)Russia had a long, long history of constantly being invaded and attacked, coupled with a strong national identity, neither of which Iraq has. Anyway, I see unrest in "peaceful" middle east within a decade - namely saudi arabia. And we already have Iran and Syria. Looks like a lot of nation building to come. And the problem is that large segments of the population don't want things like meaningful elections, civil and individual rights, bulwarks of western governance. And without them, I'm not sure of the benefits of nation building.