Military Trump abandons the Kurds

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  1. Jmg

    Jmg Senior Member

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    hong kong is a tiny percentage of chinese folks, who had decades of freedom to learn to like it. mainland chinese are fucking pissed at them. they are disowning their HK cousins and shit, calling them shitbag treasonous american puppets. china is becoming more and more authoritarian by the day, and they love it.

    you would think chinese hate the internet restrictions. they love them. they say good, fuck the bad outside influences. free press can eat a dick. they hate freedom and are working to reduce it.

    i have been to venezuela. its crazy. there are millions that love chavez and what he did. i have seen them march in the streets with signs praising him. and they are serious. they hate the american capitalists and their freedom. they are "for the workers". of course they dont realize that every "workers party" is really authoritarian bullshit. but they are not sophisticated. they dont think like you and me. you have to keep in mind something, and this is very racist:

    the US is a high IQ country with different people with different ideas. same with most other free countries. the american freedom-loving protestant sort of ethic is not universal. not close.

    russians love putin. if their election was fair, they would elect him. same with other authoritarians. i have also been to the phillipines, i asked about duterte. i asked a guy i thought was fairly sophisticated. this is what he said

    "this isnt america. our people are not the same. we need a strong leader. we have different problems than you have."

    you hear variants of this everywhere.

    one time i was in morocco, at a soccer game. kids didnt want to buy a ticket, they wanted to smash down the fence and all go run in for free. so they had riot cops at the games. kids threw rocks at them and tried to smash the ticket office. the cops beat them with bats. it was no big deal to them.

    i asked a guy. what the fuck, why dont these kids buy tickets? then the cops wont have to beat the fuck out of them. he said "bro. this isnt europe. people here are different". that stuck with me. not everyone voluntarily likes order and stability and freedom. some people like authority and want beatdowns to force them to behave. people needed saddam. they need chavez and putin.

    people have the sort of govt they want, for the most part.

    ever seen that show, the dog whisperer? that guy teaches you to fucking be the master, the leader of the pack. tell your goddamn dog who is boss. thats what your dog wants, it makes him happy. he is sad and nervous when you let him run rampant. discipline that bitch. thats what people like. they want a boss. they fear freedom.
     
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  2. dachsie

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    You are letting Ramah get in your head.....
     
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    Bengal B Founding Member

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    Unlike Ramah I posted a real song that illustrates my point, not a bunch of made up drivel. My head is too high rent for Ramah.
     
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  4. LSUpride123

    LSUpride123 Boobies make everything A OK!!!

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    I can see the low IQ regions needing some type of dictator or authoritarian type leader, but China, unless the numbers are wrong, has a high IQ average.

    However I will say this, as I struggled with it after I left the military, it is "easy" to be told what to do. It gives you a subconscious "out" to not do/be what you want to be/do.

    Its like when people find 15 reasons "not" to do something but refuse to find 1 reason to do something.

    I dont think people really grasp how powerful freedom really is. The negatives they see are really in themselves. It is easy to be a lazy turd.
     
  5. Bengal B

    Bengal B Founding Member

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    You see it in people who have been in prison and commit a stupid crime that they have no chance of getting away just so they will be sent back to prison.

    I suppose it's possible for an entire population to be, in a manner of speaking, institutionalized. The first American settlers were for the most part iconoclasts, social misfits and those seeking religious freedom. They already were prone to rejecting authority and thus it was a natural step for them to establish a system of freedom of speech and religion.

    Americans have a propensity to root for the underdog. This explains Trump's popularity if you can consider a billionaire an underdog. The media has dropped all pretense of journalistic integrity and it's nothing more than a contest to see who can bash Trump the most.
     
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  6. Winston1

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    Great allies the Turks. Even though they were given detailed information on where our troops were located they still shelled them. Trump is responsible...make that irresponsible and unfit. Just as Obama and HRC we’re responsible for Benghazi, Trump is for this.
    https://apple.news/Ak76i_KKWQTyJIr7GFjrnbw
     
  7. kcal

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    erdogan put trump in a box

    this is the down side of a businessman enacting foreign policy without truly understanding history.

    from trump’s perspective he has a convo, agrees to a “deal” in principle to find out the deal wasn’t much of a deal....

    changing the course of things takes bold action but he needs to learn temperance cause ethnic cleansing can be the result
     
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    LSUpride123 Boobies make everything A OK!!!

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    What do you propose Winston? Stay there until we start another conflict with Turkey?
     
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    LSUpride123 Boobies make everything A OK!!!

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    They are working on sanctions as we speak. Like he said he would do.

    What would you rather. Sanctions or American Blood?

    In fact, I don't even know why we need to apply sanctions. Why be involved at all? What is the importance of Syria or Turkey to us?

    At least Turkey was willing to buy F-35's, but not that is likely out the window with this latest ordeal and the purchase of Russian air defense.
     
  10. kcal

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    again the only disagreement I have is the manner of the withdrawal

    edit: it wasn’t a binary choice in that it wasn’t expedient as far as we know. the timing of it all just seems knee jerk
     
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