USC AP Poll - NY Times article

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  1. Psybex

    Psybex Freshman

    Dec 1, 2003
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    U.S.C. Still Controls Its Fate in One Poll

    December 10, 2003

    The fate of Southern California, still hoping for a piece
    of the national football championship, depends on how it
    fares in the Rose Bowl against Michigan on Jan. 1 and the
    mood of the 65 writers and broadcasters who vote in the
    Associated Press poll.

    The Trojans should worry about Michigan, among the hotter
    teams in the country. It appears that they need not overly
    concern themselves with the voters.

    The New York Times contacted 23 of the 42 Associated Press
    voters who placed the Trojans on top in their latest
    ballots, and while some were equivocal, the results suggest
    that should Southern Cal defeat Michigan it would remain on
    top in the A.P. poll. That would mean a split national
    championship, with Southern Cal earning the title in the
    journalists' poll, and the winner of the Sugar Bowl, which
    will pair Louisiana State and Oklahoma, capturing the
    mandated top spot in the coaches' poll.

    Eight of the A.P. voters contacted by telephone or e-mail
    said that if Southern Cal were to beat Michigan, there was
    virtually no chance they would change their vote. Eight
    more said they were likely or very likely to place U.S.C.
    at the top spot on their ballots. Seven others said they
    would keep an open mind, possibly shifting their vote to
    the winner of the Sugar Bowl, and would consider the
    decisiveness of the two games.

    None of the voters contacted voiced any sense of obligation
    to vote for the Sugar Bowl winner simply because it would
    win the Bowl Championship Series.

    Though the survey was admittedly unscientific, it indicated
    that Southern Cal controls its own destiny in the A.P.

    "Nothing is ever absolute in these things, but I cannot
    imagine any scenario in which I would not vote U.S.C. No. 1
    after winning the Rose Bowl," said one of the voters, Tim
    Layden of Sports Illustrated. "Michigan is a very strong
    opponent at this point - possibly stronger than L.S.U. or
    Oklahoma, despite the two early losses - and style points
    are insignificant in a game like that."

    Another voter, Mike Kern of The Philadelphia Daily News,
    voiced a similar view. "Yes, if U.S.C. wins, I will almost
    certainly vote the Trojans No. 1 in the final poll," he
    said. "Why would I move them down after I put them there
    this past week? If L.S.U. beats Oklahoma, is that any
    better than U.S.C. beating Michigan? I don't think so."

    With other voters apparently sharing the sentiments of
    Layden and Kern, a U.S.C. victory in the Rose Bowl could
    very well create the situation the Bowl Championship Series
    was intended to prevent.

    With Oklahoma, Southern Cal and Louisiana State all having
    lost just once, no consensus has developed on which teams
    deserve to play in the Sugar Bowl on Jan. 4. The Bowl
    Championship Series designated the Sugar Bowl for its top
    two teams, in this case Oklahoma and Louisiana State. By
    prior arrangement, the winner of that game will be declared
    the national champion in the ESPN/USA Today poll of

    After last weekend's games, Southern Cal slipped to No. 3
    in the Bowl Championship Series ranking, even though it
    placed first in both polls. Southern Cal did not fare as
    well with the computers as it did with the voters in either

    Some voters in the A.P. poll, like Adam Gold of WRBZ-AM in
    Raleigh, N.C., say little separates the three teams. They
    are waiting to see what unfolds.

    "It really depends on the way the Rose Bowl goes and the
    way the Sugar Bowl goes," Gold said. "I don't leave a team
    No. 1 just because they won. Every week, they have to prove
    it to me. There's no difference between Southern Cal,
    Oklahoma and L.S.U. In terms of what they've proven,
    they're pretty equal. I have a 100 percent open mind."

    The one thing everyone seems to agree on is that the
    current situation is a mess and that there must be a better

    "For years, you had coaches, fans, athletic directors,
    everybody, ripping the system that we had and in particular
    ripping the writers," Jack Bogaczyk of The Charleston Daily
    Mail in West Virginia said. "They said we didn't know what
    we were doing and shouldn't decide a national championship.

    "My feeling is, why should computers decide a national
    championship? If Southern Cal wins their game, the coaches
    will have to turn around and change their vote after
    putting Southern Cal at No. 1. Then that's the poll that's
    a sham, not the A.P. poll."
  2. DRC

    DRC TigerNator

    Oct 11, 2003
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    EXACTLY what I've been saying for 4 days now. USC wins and they will get the AP Poll....Bottom line...MICHIGAN MUST WIN!!!
  3. G_MAN113

    G_MAN113 Founding Member

    Nov 10, 2003
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    With Oklahoma, Southern Cal and Louisiana State all having
    lost just once, no consensus has developed on which teams
    deserve to play in the Sugar Bowl on Jan. 4.

    Hmmm...seems to me that since we're the #2 team in the nation according to the AP, the coaches, AND the BCS, there IS something of a consensus that at least WE belong in the Sugar Bowl.

    These "journalists" really do need to learn how to write.
  4. DarkHornet

    DarkHornet Louisiana Sports Fan

    Sep 24, 2003
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    ramah needs to read this.
  5. DRC

    DRC TigerNator

    Oct 11, 2003
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    Dennis "douchbag" Dodds drivel....

    "You've just lost the Big 12 Championship Game by four touchdowns, congratulations Bob Stoops. Sorry, but if USC wins, Sooners and Tigers are playing for 25 percent of a title. Trojans would get 75 percent for being AP champs and the people's champs."
  6. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

    Oct 21, 2002
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    The difference is that if LSU wins it will have finished the season by beating TWO top-5 teams in it's last two games. That is a strong statement that could leapfrog LSU over USC . . . at least it should. Media analysts are missing this completely.

    Michigan is the first top-5 team that USC will have played all year. They are lobbying for a NC and they haven't even beaten a contender yet.

    The BCS was created to eliminate media bias that has caused many split championships in the past. The AP poll is only one of many BCS criteria. USC may be #1 in a single poll, but they won't be National Champions . . . not this year.
  7. StaceyO

    StaceyO Football Turns Me On

    Oct 7, 2003
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    And why, exactly, do they just assert that Michigan is playing better than LSU? Or OU, for that matter?
  8. Psybex

    Psybex Freshman

    Dec 1, 2003
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    Sorry guys I just had to post this trash. Just another article proving LSU case that the AP poll is a joke. Teams are not ranked by accomplishments they are simple ordered by win-loss / date of last game lost. Lose a game move to the end of the line. Total bullshit.
  9. SoLa in NoIll

    SoLa in NoIll Founding Member

    Oct 14, 2002
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    Well, LSU is #1 in Kenneth Massey's poll, so HA!
  10. tigermark

    tigermark Rematches suck!

    Oct 21, 2002
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    I agree with the part of the last line of this... "Then that's the poll that's a sham" except I would have said that BOTH polls are a sham for putting USC #1 in the first place. Sorry, they are a clear #3. Wanna know why I think they are both a sham? Because of this attitude right here: "Why would I move them down after I put them there this past week?" That my friend is why the BCS was invented to keep homers like him from deciding who plays for the big enchilada.

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