What made John Kerry dovish?

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  1. Jetstorm

    Jetstorm Founding Member

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    Why did John Kerry turn on his fellow Vietnam vets and throw in with Jane Fonda and the anti-war movement? Why since then has he been one of the most dovish Democrats in the Senate, supporting nuclear freeze and voting against the F-15 Strike Eagle, the F-16 Falcon, the Blackhawk Chopper, the Patriot Missile, the M-1 Abrams tank, and virtually every other weapon system that has made America the greatest military power in world history, and voted against Gulf War I?

    A guilty conscience, perhaps?

    http://daily.nysun.com/Repository/g...Type=text/html&Path=NYS/2004/02/27&ID=Ar00800

    “[T]he fabled and distinguished chief of naval operations,Admiral Elmo Zumwalt,told me — 30 years ago when he was still CNO —that during his own command of U.S. naval forces in Vietnam,just prior to his anointment as CNO, young Kerry had created great problems for him and the other top brass,by killing so many non-combatant civilians and going after other non-military targets.‘We had virtually to straitjacket him to keep him under control,’ the admiral said. ‘Bud’ Zumwalt got it right when he assessed Kerry as having large ambitions — but promised that his career in Vietnam would haunt him if he were ever on the national stage.” And this statement was made despite the fact Zumwalt had personally pinned a Silver Star on Mr. Kerry."


    Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....................
     
  2. CottonBowl'66

    CottonBowl'66 Founding Member

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    Why did Bush suport the Vietnam War as long as he could get his Daddy to pull stings to get him into a unit that would keep him safe and sound chasing tail and snorting cocaine in Texas while men took his place in Vietnam?

    Maybe he is just a yellow-bellied coward.

    Kind of like his war-mongering supporters defending him here.
     
  3. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    I wouldn't say Kerry "turned on his fellow Vietnam vets." He was a member of the Vietnam Vets Against the War with many thousands of other veterans.

    Jane Fonda was a twit and so were many other anti-war activists. But the Vietnam veterans EARNED their right to criticize the war.

    Are you saying the Vietnam War was a good thing and he should have been for it?
     
  4. M.O.M

    M.O.M Founding Member

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    I think particularly Vietnam Vets have every right to criticize Johnson's War. Not that non-Vets don't have a similar right to criticze or praise or that Vets have the right to praise Johnson's War.
    I agree with you on that.
    What I need clarified in terms of Kerry's criticisms is first the rumors that he pointed his fingers at his fellow US Soldiers and made some claims as to the actions not of the government, but of the US servicemen.
    And on a minor point, he occasionally slips up and calls that episode Nixon's War, when clearly that title belongs to Johnson and his band of merrymen.
     
  5. Jetstorm

    Jetstorm Founding Member

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    I don't mean to say John Kerry couldn't or shouldn't have criticized the war. Vietnam vets were in the unique position of having the most to say one way or another about it.

    I'm just trying to make a point here; everybody's up in arms about Bush's National Guard record. But maybe Kerry's record isn't so squeaky clean. Maybe he isn't the "White Knight" the Democrats are touting as their war hero who is going to restore the American people's trust in their party on national security issues. We have every right to ask questions about Kerry's war record, just as we do Bush's National Guard service. And who knows, something unpleasant might turn up (I consider allegations of shooting civilians and executing wounded enemy POWs pretty serious), unlike the attacks on Bush which don't have a shred of evidence backing them up.
     
  6. M.O.M

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  7. phatcat

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    Who said Zumalt said what?

    <“[T]he fabled and distinguished chief of naval operations,Admiral Elmo Zumwalt,told me — 30 years ago when he was still CNO —that during his own command of U.S. naval forces in Vietnam,just prior to his anointment as CNO, young Kerry had created great problems for him and the other top brass,by killing so many non-combatant civilians and going after other non-military targets.‘We had virtually to straitjacket him to keep him under control,’ the admiral said. ‘Bud’ Zumwalt got it right when he assessed Kerry as having large ambitions — but promised that his career in Vietnam would haunt him if he were ever on the national stage.” And this statement was made despite the fact Zumwalt had personally pinned a Silver Star on Mr. Kerry.">

    This is an uncanny coincidence. I talked to a guy who knew a girl who heard from the housekeeper of the now long dead head of Dubya's Alabama reserve unit in 1973, and HE said that Dubya not only didn't attend drills but commonly drove past the base during drills and mooned the drilling reservists through the window of his moving car while screaming at the top of his lungs, "My daddy's in congress, Neener Neener Neener!"

    *Shocking*

    I blame the cocaine...
     
  8. CottonBowl'66

    CottonBowl'66 Founding Member

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    Of course what Kerry did in his twenties is highly relevent. It does not matter that he was a decorated Vietnam combat veteran. What matters is that he opposed the Vietnam War.

    But it is NOT relevent what Bush did in his twenties. It does NOT matter how much coke he shoved up his nose or how his cowardly ass avoided going to Vietnam.

    These kids here criticizing Kerry for speaking out against the Vietnam War don't know crap about it and have nothing to say about it that is worth reading.
     
  9. CottonBowl'66

    CottonBowl'66 Founding Member

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    Jetstorm, you have nothing and you are just fishing because Bush has been revealed as a hypocrtical lying coward. The next time you have nothing relevent to say, do us a favor and don't post anything.

    .....And just in case you take my advice--so long.
     
  10. xlnsports

    xlnsports Cajun In Exile

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    I shouldn't even reply to these post but some of you throw very wild and angry phrases around when i hear things like "yellow bellied cowards", and other such terms i never take the source as serious i just figure they are in a pissing contest with people on the other side. I dont mind being challenged or rebuke but when venom is in the words i can never get passed the feeling that the person making the statement would never admit they where wrong.... Just my opinion with it and 75 cents you can get a snickers bar ....:D :D
     

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