Why do blacks vote democratic?....

Discussion in 'Free Speech Alley' started by JD, Dec 8, 2002.

  1. JD

    JD Founding Member

    Dec 8, 2002
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    Welfare? Nah, Bush's friends (and Bush himself) are the biggest recipients of welfare.
    Majority Leader Lott tells us why:

    "I want to say this about my state: When Strom Thurmond ran for president we voted for him. We're proud of it. And if the rest of the country had of followed our lead we wouldn't of had all these problems over all these years, either"

    The top senate republican pining for the days of Jim Crow and the Klan. THAT is why they vote democratic.
  2. Biggles

    Biggles Founding Member

    Sep 20, 2002
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    Excellent post....

    And black voters know many things your average right-neck will never understand.....

    Humanity iss one...
  3. Tom

    Tom Founding Member

    Sep 24, 2002
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    Let's compare the biggest drain in the history of this country

    Is it social programs? NOT a snowball's chance. What continues to be the biggest drain of finanicial resources are the following, not in any particular order since they change from year to year.
    1) military buildup NOT needed but only continues to exist for pork barrel politics -- the V22 is one example, and those ships build for Trent Lott's little Pascagoula Navy Shipyard is another
    2) subsidies for faming crops, etc. which once again is part of pork barrel politics and certainly has no relation to free enterprise at all
    3) stock market shenanigans such as those caused by fraudulent accounting, undeserved stock options, etc. which cause many investors to lose money and therefore cut potential tax revenue via capital gain taxation

    Social programs are nice for some to demagogue, but of course, the people who really look at the budget know where the money goes. Oh, and let's not forget what used to be 13% of the budget which simply was flushed down the toilet to pay interest on the REAGAN-BUSH debt built up during the 80's. The bill comes due every year on the policies of the "borrow and spend" elephant men.
  4. Mr. Wonderful

    Mr. Wonderful Founding Member

    Sep 11, 2002
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    JD is oh so "right", Whites should JOIN black organizations.

    So that they can better understand the negro...and who knows what other benefits could arise?

    (From the NY Times)

    Using Synonyms for Race, College Strives for Diversity

    December 8, 2002
    HOUSTON, Dec. 6 - When a federal appeals court in New
    Orleans ruled in 1996 that the University of Texas Law
    School could not legally consider race in admitting
    students, lawyers at Rice University, a highly selective
    private college here, reluctantly decided that the ruling
    applied to it, too.

    Almost overnight, the admissions officers at Rice stopped
    saying aloud the words "black," "African-American,"
    "Latino," "Hispanic" or even "minority" in their
    deliberations. The next year, the proportion of black
    students admitted in the freshman class fell by half; the
    proportion of Hispanics fell by nearly a third.

    The university feared that openly defying the federal court
    could cost it $45 million annually in federal aid, about 15
    percent of its budget.

    But like other colleges, Rice says it remains fiercely
    committed to having a diverse student body, (they have a football and basketball team, nothing in the Constitution prohibits diversity on the basis of athletic prowess and we know negroes are disproportiately represented taking into consideration that skill!) so in the years
    since, it has developed creative, even sly ways to meet
    that goal and still obey the court. Thus the admissions
    committee, with an undisguised wink, has encouraged
    applicants to discuss "cultural traditions" in their
    essays, asked if they spoke English as a second language
    and taken note, albeit silently, of those identified as
    presidents of their BLACK STUDENT ASSOCIATIONS. (You see! Join, learn, get extra "points" from the admission committees!)
    Those efforts, along with stepped-up recruiting at high
    schools with traditionally high minority populations,
    yielded a freshman class last year with a near-record
    composition of blacks and Hispanics. Of the 700 freshmen, 7
    percent are black, 11 percent Hispanic.

    The experience of Rice provides a preview of the subtle
    ways that life would most likely change inside the
    admissions offices of colleges like Yale, Princeton and
    Stanford should the Supreme Court decide to impose strict
    restrictions on affirmative action. Those restrictions
    could be issued next year, when, the court said this week,
    it intends to consider two cases challenging racial
    preferences in admissions at the University of Michigan.

    At issue is the court's 1978 Bakke decision, which has been
    widely interpreted as permitting public and private
    colleges to consider an applicant's race a "plus" in
    assembling a class.

    Public universities - including those in Texas, Florida and
    California - have responded to lower-court decisions and
    other efforts to roll back Bakke by automatically accepting
    a set percentage of students ranked at the top of each
    public high school in their states. Because some of those
    high schools have heavy minority populations, a minority
    presence in the university system is assured.

    But private colleges like Rice have long shunned such
    formulas as too mechanical and impersonal (and gone straight to quotas) and have instead
    adopted a more nuanced approach (oops!) that colleges elsewhere see
    as a blueprint, should they face a prohibition like that
    imposed by the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals, whose
    jurisdiction is Texas, Mississippi and Louisiana.

    "You can no longer say to the committee, `This is a great
    African-American from New York,' " said Julie M. Browning,
    the dean for undergraduate enrollment at Rice. "You have to
    drop a lot of language associated with affirmative action."

    Instead, Ms. Browning said, the admissions team at Rice has
    developed a whole new vocabulary - including the
    overarching goal of achieving "cultural inclusiveness" in
    the student body - to justify its admissions decisions.

    That new lexicon was evident this morning as the
    seven-member admissions committee met under a vaulted
    stucco ceiling here to winnow the list of nearly 500
    students who have applied for early admission to the Class
    of 2007.

    One of the first candidates under consideration had an
    obviously Hispanic last name, but no one on the committee
    mentioned it. Though other colleges affix color-coded
    stickers to the folders of minority applicants, Rice blots
    out students' answers to questions on their application
    about race or ethnicity. (Office assistants who are sworn
    to secrecy first record the answers for later use to make a
    statistical profile of applicants.) (Shhhhh!)

    While there were obvious clues that this applicant was
    Hispanic - a recommendation from a teacher noted his
    "desire to represent his Hispanic heritage" -(how about desire to represent Norwegian heritage? LOL) the members
    of the committee found other ways to support his case,
    including his good grades in hard courses.

    "He is first-generation college," said Jamila Mensa, the
    admissions officer charged with making the presentation.
    "The teacher described him as altruistic."

    Another committee member, noting problems in the student's
    family, used admissions' shorthand to describe the
    candidate as "an overcome," and later said, "I just like
    the `overcome' here." (I overcame my lack of height and footspeed to be a key 9th man on my high school basketball team and was a member of an underrepresented minority on the team, would that work?)

    In the committee's opinion, these qualities helped the
    student rise above an SAT score more than 150 points below
    the 1400-point median at Rice in recent years. After just a
    few minutes of discussion, he was unanimously admitted.

    For opponents of affirmative action, who have long argued
    that colleges have different standards for white and
    nonwhite applicants (which they DO, but who's arguing that point?), the vote on this student would have
    provided little comfort. In response to a reporter's
    question, university officials refused to release
    statistics that they have gathered comparing the SAT scores
    of minority applicants accepted to Rice to those of
    nonminority applicants.(who cares about statistics? Other than the statistics of negroes admitted under the quota system?) They said only that the scores of
    minorities are generally lower nationally, and in the Rice
    pool as well.

    Partly by engaging in delicate minuets like those danced by
    the committee this morning, Rice has faced no legal
    challenges in the six years since the lower court ruled in
    the case known as Hopwood v. Texas.

    "You can't be using race or ethnicity as a factor in
    admission," said Richard Zansitis, the university's general
    counsel, in explaining the ground rules of Hopwood, which
    could serve the Supreme Court as a blueprint. "On the other
    hand, if a student has shown leadership (and is a negro) - it may be in the
    black students association, it could be the chess club (Black Chess Club?) -
    that's something to look for in assessing that student as
    an individual. Whether it's leadership in an ethnic or
    racial organization is irrelevant."

    The timing of the Hopwood decision was especially
    inopportune for Rice, which generally receives about 7,000
    applications for a freshman class of about 700. Founded by
    a wealthy cotton trader in the early 1900's as an
    exclusively white institution, the university went to court
    in 1965 to change its charter so that minority students
    would be welcome to study on its campus of gingerbread

    By 1996, the proportion of blacks (7.7 percent) and
    Hispanics (11 percent) in the freshman class was among the
    highest of any top college in the nation. Six years later,
    the Class of 2006, which arrived on campus this fall, was
    7.1 percent black and 11 percent Hispanic. The percentage
    of Asian-Americans was 16 percent.

    Over that period, the university increased its canvassing
    of high schools with many minority students - including
    Eleanor Roosevelt in Greenbelt, Md., and Central High
    School in Philadelphia - and tripled its budget for flying
    minority students to campus for recruiting visits, which
    Hopwood permits. (None of the voting members of the
    committee are permitted to meet those recruits.)

    Some minority students at Rice said that the university's
    abandonment of affirmative action, at least in its
    classical definition, has made them feel an enhanced sense
    of pride at getting in.

    Vanessa Costilla, 18, a freshman from Anton, Tex., who is
    Mexican-American, said her admission to Rice probably meant
    more than her admission to two Northeastern colleges, Smith
    and Wellesley, which still give a lift to minority

    "I don't think that just because I was Hispanic-American I
    got into Rice," said Ms. Costilla, the valedictorian of her
    25-member high school class and president of "everything
    except the Future Farmers of America."

    "I got in," she added, "because I earned it."

    But Kristin
    Dukes, 19, a sophomore from Greenville, Tex., who is black,
    said that many of her classmates were unaware of the
    university's admissions policies.

    "At Rice, probably in the back of their minds, kids are
    still thinking I was privileged to get in because of the
    color of my skin (why, why, WHY?, oh yeah, nevermind)," said Ms. Dukes, a psychology major.
    "Just because they have new standards at the university
    doesn't mean the students at the university feel the same
    way." (what happened the "other" students read this article?)
  5. Biggles

    Biggles Founding Member

    Sep 20, 2002
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    Gosh Mr. W....

    I was about to admonish you for the old cut/paste then I saw the source....

    Will you be in GA for Gov. Sonny's inauguration........?

    Old times here are n'er forgotten....!
  6. Mr. Wonderful

    Mr. Wonderful Founding Member

    Sep 11, 2002
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    Unfortunately I will not be in attedance.

    However at the appropriate time I will unfurl the classic Georgia flag and observe proudly that great moment in state history. You would think Coca-Cola who failed miserably with "New Coke" yet bought the disgraceful flag that buried Presidential contender Roy Barnes, would have known better, you can't beat the original!
    I also appreciated Governor Perdue's victory comments "Free at last! Free at last...."
  7. Tom

    Tom Founding Member

    Sep 24, 2002
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    Yeah, what a shocker than blacks don't believe elephant men mean them no hard

    Looks like Trent Lott has said publicly what the old GOP whisper privately all the time. Yeah, Trent, bring back those segragationist times and try to convince people you aren't being racist when you say things would have been better if Strom Thurmond's ideas had been implemented. Trent Lott is a pathetic JOKE, and as usual, his LOUDMOUTH has far outstripped his mental capacity.

  8. Mr. Wonderful

    Mr. Wonderful Founding Member

    Sep 11, 2002
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    The BIG question!

    Will Senator Lott's comments hurt Ole Miss' football recruiting? After all, athletics and entertainment is at the heart if not the sole reason for what passes as "good racial relations" today. Otherwise, many are hard pressed to find any reason to quarrel with Lott's birthday party comments.
  9. crawfish

    crawfish Founding Member

    Sep 16, 2003
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    Who is this Tom guy?
  10. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

    Oct 21, 2002
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    Ahhh the old days. FSA was infested with know-it-all liberals who thought they owned the forum. Sheriff Brett had to call em out at high noon and they all skedaddled out of town. If they were still around my ignore button would be working overtime.

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