Both were. The 2000 election was stolen by a partisan Supreme Court. The 2016 election was stolen from Hillary by James Comey and a Russian disinformation campaign.

given that those elections were stolen, then we effectively have no democracy. the will of the people is ignored. isnt democracy something worth saving? even violently?

Could be. Too bad for your orange hero that in THIS case the will of the people was quite obvious: Joe Biden by 7 million votes and an electoral college landslide. So any violence against the election in THIS case was unjustified and undemocratic.

but to be clear, had hillary and gore called for violence, it would have been justified?

Absolutely not.

so when you said violence "could be" justified, you were mistaken?

repeat: i aasked

"isnt democracy something worth saving? even violently?"

is the answer "could be", or "absolutely not"?

keeping in mind here that according you you, two major elections were stolen, one by a foreign enemy. you dont want to fight back?

Absolutely not.

i see so you agree with trump that elections are stolen . you just take it is a little further and call for violence while trump asks for peaceful protest

So you believe that those elections were stolen from some kind of cheating, but you’re sure this one wasn’t? I don’t think the election was stolen, but it seems you only swing to the one side of the argument when it benefits you.

Yes, and yes. I go where the evidence takes me.