This thread is not intended to stir up hard feelings, I just want to see where yall are coming from on this. For all the posters here who are big time Miles (or even Crowton) supporters like Red, JohnLSU, etc., let me pose a hypothetical situation. Let's say that LSU finishes the SEC with an identical conference record next season, with no shot at the SECCG, no wins over teams currently in the Top 25, and a loss to a Penn State like team in a bowl, finishing near the bottom of the league on offense, and little team progress throughout the year. At what point does the responsibility for that outcome fall on the coaches, instead of young/incompetent/inexperienced/whatever players? Just how far does this seemingly eternal mulligan for Les extend? I really would like to know, in your minds, what it would take for you to think that a coaching change is needed for this team to sniff Atlanta again in the foreseeable future. Again, I'm only interesteed in knowing what your reasoning is, rather than getting into shouting matches or telling someone to be a fan of another school.