A Mexican Border Wall.. what are your thoughts?

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  1. locoguano

    locoguano Founding Member

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    I'm all for it.. 20 feet tall and stretching from texas to cali... put the National Guard on it... you know, hence the name, National Guard, as in guarding the Nation from being invaded. Its time to get tough here people. The elite (presidente fox included) in Mexico believe that the southwestern U.S. belongs to them and they are using illegal immigration as a "peaceful" invasion force. There are many Mexicans who call themselves "American Palestinians", refugees from their rightful land... time to wake up people... The reason teh U.S. has done so well is that there has always been a national identity... while immigrants have always kept their own culture and languages, the goal has always been to become real Americans... these new invaders, from Mexico and other places, have no interest in becoming Americans.. they want to change America to suit their own needs... dont expect any help from the mexican government either.. their already sh*tty economy would go down the tubes without the illegal income being sent back home...

    And before our liberal friend pop up and say "but what about the poor workers who just want to make money..." First of all, these people arent being helped by allowing them to come here and work for slave wages.. they are being exploited by big business, while also making things alot harder on the American working man. Take a look at those new student apartments going up on Highland... 90% of the workers over there are mexican.. INS would have a fieldday i'm sure...

    Back to the wall.. you have all the bleeding hearts around the world saying its another Berlin Wall.. there are walls on borders all over the world.. We are the most hated country in the world... we are drawn into every conflict across the globe by the U.N. (who, of course, does not support us when we ask for it).. and we are not supposed to protect our own borders?
    Its time for our government to stop pussyfooting around, trying to please everyone and play good neighbor.. between this free trade in the western hemisphere crap and border jumpers, our economy isnt going to last much longer...
     
  2. Nutriaitch

    Nutriaitch Fear the Buoy

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  3. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Certainly there is no point in building a wall if it isn't going to be guarded every foot of its length. We have many sections of unguarded wall and fencing already that doesn't stop anybody. Hole have been cut with torches and bolt cutters everywhere. But it's easier than that. All it takes to scale a 20-foot unguarded wall is a 21-foot ladder. The last thing we need to do is spend billions on a wall, leave it unguarded, and it fails to do the job.

    It wouldn't require Stalag-like guard towers every 500 feet. Sensor towers located along the fence with video, infrared, and radar sensors can monitor the fence. The key is that border patrol officers must be no more than a few miles away and can respond efectively to each and every crossing attempt

    Those guards need to be the border patrol, not the National Guard except for a temporary fix. It is a police job, not a military job. These invaders are predominantly unarmed and non-violent and the Guard is needed elsewhere. I fail to understand why it is taking so long to hire the 10,000 to 20,000 new border patrol guards that are needed. The border patrol guards have to be there for a wall to work.

    Common sense must be used. Veteran Border Patrol officers say there are border areas where a wall is vital and other areas where it would not work at all. There are places where many rivers and canyons crisscross the border and it is impossible to build a continuous wall. In these areas the money would be better spent on more people, guardposts, vehicles, and aircraft to patrol the area.
     
  4. LSUsupaFan

    LSUsupaFan Founding Member

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    You sound like a 19th century New Yorker crying about the Irish comeing over speaking their Gaelic and not learning English. OR a 20th century New Yorker complaining about the Slavs and Pollacks. Stop being such an alarmist.
     
  5. LSUalum24

    LSUalum24 Founding Member

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    I think you have been listening to too much Rush Limbaugh.
     
  6. LSUGradin99

    LSUGradin99 I Bleedeth Purple 'N Gold

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    If you simply want to talk about a wall and how to build one that will keep it out, then you need to specify how far below ground it goes too.

    Just helping you out usl. :thumb:
     
  7. Bengal Buddy

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    We need to build a wall with motion detectors on the other side. The wall should be rounded at the top to prevent any kind of grappling device from being effective and should be at least 40 feet high to prevent anyone from going over it. And it should run at least 15 feet underground to discourage tunneling. Such a wall would not need heavy guarding.
     
  8. Bengal Buddy

    Bengal Buddy Founding Member

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    At least 15 feet - maybe deeper
     
  9. CParso

    CParso Founding Member

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    A border wall would solve nothing. For 1, it doesn't help the tunnels that are already built to get through. Secondly, a continuous wall would be impossible to build due to rivers etc. And thirdly, any wall would have to be guarded, which means the possability exist for mexicans to simply start paying off underpaid guardsmen.

    Have anything to back that up?


    There's no real difference between these mexican immigrants and any of the other large groups of immigrants we've had to America throughout our history, and your predictable alarmism is no different either.

    Despite being exploited, they are still better off than they would be without it. And that exploitation allows us to buy products at a lower cost. How have they made things harder on the American working man? The mexican immigrants take jobs Americans don't want. American is basically at full employment.
     
  10. Bengal Buddy

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    Being concerned about the illegal immigration problem is not being an alarmist. It is a serious problem that needs to be resolved. The examples of the New Yorkers worrying about the Irish and Slavs were not about illegal immigrants. These people were entering the country legally. Two entirely different issues.
     

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