Any update on the next Mike the Tiger

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Line-breeding is very common with registered animals. When we think of it in terms of humans, it's distasteful but think about animals in the wild: rabbits, coyotes, even horses.

With elite registered breeders cattle, sheep, etc. Once they get the genotype that produces the phenotype they are pursuing, they use line-breeding and rubber stamp the offspring.

The National Exhibitor and National Breeder of the Boer Goat Industry for the past three years breeds "Daddy" to "Daughter".

The man who dominated the Simbrah cattle shows/market in Texas, did the same.

 

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http://www.westwindgsps.com/linebreeding.htm

Having trouble teaching your dog?? :hihi:

Seriously, it's even done with dogs....doggy style. :wink:

 

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Breeding depression and the inevitable birth defects are the common problem with this practice. Comparing them to sheep and cattle hardly offsets this argument. When a double recessive gene occurs only one in ten thousand in the wild, as it does in Bengals, and you are inbreeding to produce that, you are screwing up big time. Do you really think the only reason incest is forbidden is because of religious or social mores? That's funny.

 

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Show me were I said that?? I was merely stating a fact about line-breeding not being so out of the question for any who may not be aware- I knew you know everything already. :hihi:

 

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I will leave that mantle for you to carry.

 

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inbreeding not only sets the desirable genes and characteristics, it also sets the undesirable characteristics. the way you talk about inbreeding with goats, i would shoot a dog or horse breeder for being that irresponsible. and i sure as hell would not buy a dog or horse from them.

just as you are around goats, tiga, i grew up raising show horses. at 10 years old i knew that inbreeding to such a degree was asking for trouble. while in show horses and dogs line breeding is acceptable, most breeders understand that line breeding should be handled very carefully and not to have the common ancestor to "close-in", or too many times in the line. line breeding is a mild (and i stress theword mild) form of inbreeding.

but before i help totally get this thread derailed, back to tiger cubs. for all of the reasons listed in the argument against, i would be against lsu getting a white tiger cub. part of the mission of "mike" now is to educate about and preserve the species. to preserve the species, and with a limited number of bloodlines available to do so, i believe lsu must promote responsible breeding to preserve the species with genetic integrity.

 

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Horses......How's this??
Bishops Idea, who earned $158,000, was produced by breeding a son of Secretariat to one of his daughters. I could list many.

http://cmkarabians.com/articles/BHLineAndInBreed.html

http://www.thoroughbredvillage.com/pedigree.asp



Need I remind you:

Didn't I tell you to read your bible before?? :grin:


I'm only saying it's done, it's done extensively, and it yields results.......I've shown you the link for dogs, have given two examples using cattle and goats, and many more with horses.

When a breeder has "Bred out" the "Undesirables" you actually minimize the chance of that. Example is a homozygous polled bull- his offspring will NEVER have horns- thus, eliminate the need for de-horning. I didn't say I advocated it, though I do plan to breed a goat to his mother.......and sister :hihi: J/P.

I just put the facts out and let them speak for themselves....if others want to keep riding plugs, they breed how they so choose- me, I like the winner's circle- mount up. :thumb:

As for the tiger........I have no ideas about breeding, in-breeding, or line-breeding but who the hell separates them in the wild so it doesn't happen. It's called survival of the fittest.

 

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I heard the same and it was going to be introduced at the Va Tech game with Les Miles walking him out... Would be really cool..

 

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The fact is, that "undesirables", are not bred out, they are continued. The only concern is to breed a white tiger that does not have a cleft pallet, degenerative hip, etc., and that does not happen often. And that is just one facet of the cruelty. Considering the low percentages of producing white tigers even when both tigers are white and related, what do you think happens to the non-white tigers? Released in to the wild? Quite the black market world-wide to consume them. If you look at some estimates, Texas alone has more Bengals than India's preserves, I would say this industry is thriving.

No, you didn't but your defense of the practice in other species without regard how it might apply or effect this particular one, leads one to believe that you do support it. After all, I think there are a few more sheep, cattle, horses, and dogs then there are white tigers in America, is there not?

It's called natural selection, and defective tigers rarely gain the chance to breed. If a brother/mother/sister actually join in the wild, it is offset by huge diversity in gene pools from other non-related animals.