Any update on the next Mike the Tiger

Re: Any udate on the next Mike the Tiger

Whoa, your're spinning my posts........I'm talking about line-breeding.....period. Here's what you said in post #21:

In fairness, you may have been saying that in regard to the white tiger. Again, I showed where line-breeding is done, and very common- with high success........

More spin- I never mentioned "Release" I was refering to the ones living or the ones that did live in the wild.

I said that breeders breed until they get the desired genotype then lock up the gene pool. If what your're saying is true, tell me how would you put a horned gene back in a homozygous polled bull. Or heat tolerance without Brahman influence??


And good catch on "Natural selection", which was introduced by Charles Darwin and attributed to Herbert Spencer, actually introducing the phrase "survival of the fittest” but not until after reading Darwin's Origin of Species. Though different fields, many parallels to the schools of thought.:thumb:

 

Re: Any udate on the next Mike the Tiger

In response to my posts about white tiger breeding practices. Who is spinning now? The implication is obvious that since it is an acceptable practice for all these other animals, it is acceptable for white tigers. After all, even though the hijack on my part is obvious, the thread is still about Bengals.

Again, implicating that the practice is acceptable for white tigers, without actually coming out and saying that. You should run for office.

No you didn't. I did, as an example of overwhelming collateral damage to Bengals as a result of this practice. And there are no verifiable reports of white tigers being born in the wild since Mohan. The fact is 75% of the Bengals(actually they are diluted with Siberian in their heritage, so not even pure bred) born from this practice are cast aside to a life of abuse, neglect or just sold for parts.

I don't claim to be an authority on animal husbandry as it relates to cattle. I was speaking of white tigers and if the "undesirable traits" could have been bred out in the last 60 years, it would have been done. The fact is that birth defects cannot be bred out of these animals because the gene pool never expands, it only diminishes.

It is not a conspiracy. Zoos need revenue and white tigers bring that. The majority of people are ignorant as to the brutal process that produces these half-breed freaks because they are pretty and for many years the public has simply been mislead. There are so many places to get the truth these days about how this endangered species(Bengals, not white Tigers) is being abused and manipulated. I find it pretty sad, and I suppose some don't.

 

Re: Any udate on the next Mike the Tiger

Above is what I posted.......about line-breeding. Nothing about tigers. There was a post indicating that line-breeding was something unacceptable, so-to-speak.

You followed with the post underneath, questioning what I said about "Sheep and cattle" which was actually goats and cattle. I've never waivered from what I've said.....as it applies to goats, dogs, cattle, horses.

You, on the other hand, threw in the Tiger to my example of line-breeding being widespread- with registered animals........any Tigers registered?? I even stated:

What don't you understand?

What implication is obvious? I removed any "Implications" with the post under this:

What's directly above this sheds new light on your statement here but I won't get personal- I noticed a thread got closed cause of that yesterday.

Enter the tiger.....again. I was talking about line-breeding, no tigers, no monkies, no baboons.......line-breeding. The examples I used were......well you should know by now. :hihi:

HEY! We have found common ground. I agree with EVERYTHING in this quote.........it has NOTHING to do with what I said, however, but I do agree.

In all seriousness, I think we got crossed up- you took my initial post to be about line-breeding tigers. Tell you what though, if you run for office, call me, I'd like to donate to your fundraising. :thumb:


Anyone hear any more news about our new Mike, please post. What red posted about introducing him for the VT game would be awesome.

 

Re: Any udate on the next Mike the Tiger

There was no mention of "line-breeding" until you mentioned it.

Actually this is what you said in post #22:

In your defense, you did mention goats later in the thread when you mentioned your own goat(I assume), so perhaps this is what has you confused.

I threw tigers into a thread about Mike the Tiger that touched upon the possibility of him being a white tiger? When did the discussion about "line-breeding" begin? I would say it would be the other way around. At no time was the subject of "line-breeding" the main thrust, nor a tributary of this thread, until you took it there in post #22. If you expect everyone reading this to believe that your statements do not relate to this thread but instead happened in a vacuum of your own discussion about "line-breeding", but not as it related to tigers, then good luck with that.

Ranking right up there with a flamer that precedes his statements with, "I don't mean this as a flame".That's funny, but the topic was tigers. People expressed some dismay over tigers being inbred. You produced evidence of the benefits of this practice in other species. Is anyone supposed to believe that you didn't intend to relate this to the topic at hand?

If you say so. I would have never concluded that from your statements. I guess I just don't have the mental capacity.

 

How you can say I was "Obviously" referring to "White" tigers when you're flip flopping so much, I'm not even sure if your're sure which one you're talking about. You are good though, I watched you do this before.....not with me though. :lol:

In my first three posts (22,23,25) on line-breeding/in-breeding (It’s the same thing, yeah) do I mention tigers? Look at Okie’s post under here, she understood....see any references to “White” tigers in her post??

 

Uh....line-breeding/inbreeding........it's the same. It was mentioned before I did.....more than once. In fact YOU did. Also in post #15, 18, 20, & 21. You even said of it, "The truth stings" which puts a pretty good "Thrust" or was someone else posting under your username?? With all the "implications" you accuse me of......you miss the obvious??

I stand corrected and appreciate the benefit. :thumb:

What? Is that an implication that Mike will be white? And you can throw a white tiger into a thread about Mike but, after inbreeding/linebreeding (They are the same, yeah) is brought up, I can't elaborate on it......in general? And I'm not talking about derailment, just as a matter of fact.

The "Main thrust", you qualify as you will but all I commented on was LINE-BREEDING/in-breeding (They are the same, yeah), AFTER YOU did. Never intended it to be the focus, you made it such. :lol:

Didn't you just say I was the first to bring up in-breeding/line-breeding. They are synonymous- much closer relation than Natural Selectionand Survival of the Fittest, you made the distinction there but can't here?

And now you admit my that my post was evidence of the benefits of this practice in other species........had I gotten you to see that in my second post to you, we'd have been finished a long time ago.

I will close with my word that I only brought up line-breeding to represent line-breeding for what it is. I'm not one to balk when I'm wrong and I have no problem admitting being wrong.....if/when I am. You're making assumptions with no proof, and questioning my integrity in the process when you and I both know this isn't about line-breeding/in-breeding (They are the same, yeah) anyway.

Not to mention the fact that I clearly stated it in post #25:

As for further proof that it wasn't brought it up in reference to the White Tiger- that would be a case in which those breeding practices AREN'T successful. The gene for the color, white, in tigers, is an undesirable and flawed one in itself (Notwithstanding, aesthetically speaking, and as far as human preference) it goes against mother nature. Breed that characteristic out.

There's a reason white tigers are rare- how long would one last in the wild with such a color pattern? Natural selection/survival of the fittest- a white tiger's not "Fit". To mention any success from line-breeding in regards to the white tiger would defeat the premise.......it's a sure case when it wouldn't hold up.......are you feelin me know?? If not, we can put up a poll- I hear they're not to valid though. :lol:

I'm out on this thread- nobody's readin these long azz posts anyway- they're.........very telling.

 

I think that :lsup: stays with a Bengal Tiger, I think that it is one of the most beautiful animals in the world.

 

Re: Any udate on the next Mike the Tiger

I think this makes you eligible to vote in Arkansas.


:hihi:

 

Damn, you can tell it's summer when we are discussing inbreeding of animals. I'll file this under the "who cares" category.

Is it football season yet?

 

Re: Any udate on the next Mike the Tiger

phenotype. that is unless youre referring to a specific gene, then its more likely that they spend the $ to have it sequenced. but what do i know, they may sequence the entire genome of an individual that has a phenotype they like.