Apparently Orgeron has lost 3-4 freshmen already......

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  1. BostonBengal

    BostonBengal Founding Member

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    Cutcliff is at Notre Dame as an assistant under Weis
     
  2. mcmikel

    mcmikel Founding Member

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    Cut resigned earlier this year.

    Oh-for-Atlanta Zone in Oxpatch.
     
  3. Deceks7

    Deceks7 Founding Member

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    Cutcliffe left ND because of a heart condition. Hope he gets well and has many good years ahead of him.

    http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050722/COLUMNIST0202/507220409/1108

    As rebounds go, David Cutcliffe couldn't have asked for much more.

    Fired after five seasons as head coach at Ole Miss, he landed squarely on his feet at Notre Dame as assistant head coach and quarterbacks coach on Charlie Weis' new staff.

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    "All things considered," he says, "it was just about the perfect situation for me. It was an opportunity for me to grow as a coach in a great situation."

    His heart was in it.

    And then it wasn't.

    First came the fatigue. Then came discomfort in his chest. Next was a visit to the doctor.

    Finally, Cutcliffe underwent triple bypass heart surgery in March.

    Suddenly, a golden opportunity under the Golden Dome was compromised. Given his weakened condition and the demands of coaching at a program like Notre Dame, Cutcliffe resigned.

    "It became clear to me that I just couldn't do the job," he says. "I wasn't able to work like you need to work. I owed that to Coach Weis and to those players. I would've been short-changing Notre Dame. If you can't do the job because of your health, you need to step back.

    "It was the toughest decision I've ever had to make."

    Next came the easiest one. Instead of staying in South Bend, Ind., or returning to Oxford, Miss., Cutcliffe sought out the comfort zone of East Tennessee. An assistant for 17 years at the University of Tennessee, he came home.

    "It's the perfect place for our family to be right now," he said. "I can step back, regain my strength, get healthy and take a look at where we can go from here."

    While he's recovering and rehabbing, Cutcliffe also will take on a new venture. He has committed to doing talk radio four hours a week in Knoxville. "I'm heading to the dark side," he said with a laugh.

    Somehow, I don't think Jim Rome is shaking behind his microphone for fear of losing his job. Cutcliffe is thorough and analytical, but he is no shock jock. Reporters covering his Ole Miss teams said his Monday press conferences were a cure for insomnia.

    "I see things from a coach's perspective, not necessarily a fan's perspective, so hopefully I can add something to the shows," he said.

    Mostly, though, Cutcliffe is just trying to get back up to speed physically. He lost 30 pounds after the surgery and is slowly upgrading his cardiac rehab program.

    "I wouldn't want to start two-a-days in the sun right now, but by October or November I expect to be at full speed. The doctors are optimistic."

    Once a coach, always a coach. In time, Cutcliffe plans to return to the sideline. It's in his blood. He says he wants to be a head coach again, but understands that his next job — Plan B, he calls it — could be as an assistant.

    Frankly, that may be the best fit. Some people are better assistant coaches than head coaches. Cutcliffe's personality is better suited to handling one position or overseeing an offense rather than running the whole operation.

    He has the Midas touch with quarterbacks. At UT, he tutored Andy Kelly, Heath Shuler, Peyton Manning and Tee Martin. At Ole Miss, he recruited and coached Eli Manning. His effectiveness is measured in passing mileage and first-round draft picks.

    "I've had the good fortune to coach some outstanding players who were also great people," he said.

    Yes, David Cutcliffe's heart is in the right place.
     
  4. STRIPES

    STRIPES Founding Member

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    Well, I can tell you that the Ole Miss fans I know ARE concerned about many of the happenings at Ole Miss since "O's" arrival. Oregeron is benefitting from
    being new but that will soon wear off as reality enters the picture after the season begins and it becomes apparent that Ole Miss simply doesn't have the talent to compete at the top level of the SEC.

    Say what you want about Cutcliffe but he was about as successful as any coach is going to be at Ole Miss. Regarding Orgeron having 11 commitments
    so far, so what? Ole Miss is taking commitments very early from some kids who would have been there several months from now. The Ole Miss list of commitments is even more unimpressive when you remember all the B.S. and hype that the Ole Missy fans were talking about Orgeron and what a "great recruiter" he was at USC and will be at Ole Miss.

    Recruiting isn't simply about early quantity of commitments but more about signing quality players on signing day. As an example, Orgeron had far more time last season to recruit (and I believe it was more than a month) than Les Miles did at LSU and even with only 13 scholarships to hand out, LSU and Les Miles signed a top 25 class.

    The point is that I don't care what Orgeron tries to do at Ole Miss or what the Ole Miss fans are tired of in Oxford, it's still Ole Miss and they still are going to be at a major disadvantage against the majority of SEC teams for various reasons. In short, try as he might, Orgeron can't make chicken-salad out of chicken crap. It simply won't happen.

    The fact that Orgeron even has a job in the SEC at all with his baggage
    and lack of head coaching or even Co-ordinator experience speaks volumes
    about the status of the Ole Miss program. Orgeron was the best that Ole Miss could get and that should be enough to worry anyone, even Webel fans.

    By the way, all those players who you say were leaving Ole Miss and were going to "ride the pines" so it was apparently no loss, well I remember that attitude at LSU when Dinardo was having attrition problems during his last 2-3 years here. Players leaving, especially incoming players, is a bad sign and
    definitely is a negative and impacts team depth. Look at what happened to LSU in 2003, without tremendous depth at RB LSU wouldn't have had a 3rd string RB like Justin Vincent who was a major player down the stretch
    during LSU's National title run. Every player counts and every player who leaves a football program guarantees one thing, you have one less player on your depth chart and a team like Ole Miss which was 4-7 last year can ill
    afford losing players. I have seen MANY 2nd and 3rd string players make major contributions to a team but I have yet to see a team win a single extra game because a 2nd or 3rd team player left the team.

    Attrition is a cumulative a deadly problem for any football program and right now it appears that Ole Miss has a real problem.
     
  5. tiger777

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    the TP had a article yesterday that said that ole miss has lost 12 freshman since the beginning of camp. I think it said 12 might have been 8 either way its a big hit for them since half their first class is gone.
     
  6. CalcoTiger

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    Maybe when Orgeron craps out they could get Dinardo or Hallman to salvage their program.
     
  7. mcmikel

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    He sounds like DiNardo, can't keep them in camp, school, or out of jail.

    Uncle Nick taught us one rule of football: Poor character = poor team.
    LSU hasn't to worry about a coaching staff and the character issue since December, 1999.
     

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