Ben-Veniste

dallastigers · Apr 8, 2004

How much did this guy try to grandstand? Multiple times he would try to stop her from addressing all parts of his statement or question. If this is a fact finding mission he, a former prosecutor, should not try to treat witnesses as a defense witness.

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BEN-VENISTE: I want to ask you some questions about the Augusth PDB was prepared and self-generated by a CIA employee. Following Director Tenet's testimony on March 26th before us, the CIA clarified its version of events, saying that questions by the president prompted them to prepare the August 6th PDB.

Now, you have said to us in our meeting together earlier in February, that the president directed the CIA to prepare the August 6th PDB.

The extraordinary high terrorist attack threat level in the summer of 2001 is well-documented. And Richard Clarke's testimony about the possibility of an attack against the United States homeland was repeatedly discussed from May to August within the intelligence community, and that is well-documented.

You acknowledged to us in your interview of February 7, 2004, that Richard Clarke told you that Al Qaida cells were in the United States.

XXX in the United States.

BEN-VENISTE: Did you tell the president, at any time prior to August 6th, of the existence of Al Qaida cells in the United States?

RICE: First, let me just make certain...

BEN-VENISTE: If you could just answer that question, because I only have a very limited...

RICE: I understand, Commissioner, but it's important...

BEN-VENISTE: Did you tell the president...

RICE: ... that I also address...

(APPLAUSE)

It's also important that, Commissioner, that I address the other issues that you have raised. So I will do it quickly, but if you'll just give me a moment.

BEN-VENISTE: Well, my only question to you is whether you...

RICE: I understand, Commissioner, but I will...

BEN-VENISTE: ... told the president.

RICE: If you'll just give me a moment, I will address fully the questions that you've asked.

First of all, yes, the August 6th PDB was in response to questions of the president -- and that since he asked that this be done. It was not a particular threat report. And there was historical information in there about various aspects of Al Qaida's operations.

Dick Clarke had told me, I think in a memorandum -- I remember it as being only a line or two -- that there were Al Qaida cells in the United States.

Now, the question is, what did we need to do about that?

And I also understood that that was what the FBI was doing, that the FBI was pursuing these Al Qaida cells. I believe in the August 6th memorandum it says that there were 70 full field investigations under way of these cells. And so there was no recommendation that we do something about this; the FBI was pursuing it.

I really don't remember, Commissioner, whether I discussed this with the president.

BEN-VENISTE: Thank you.

RICE: I remember very well that the president was aware that there were issues inside the United States. He talked to people about this. But I don't remember the Al Qaida cells as being something that we were told we needed to do something about.

BEN-VENISTE: Isn't it a fact, Dr. Rice, that the August 6th PDB warned against possible attacks in this country? And I ask you whether you recall the title of that PDB?

RICE: I believe the title was, "Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States."

Now, the...

BEN-VENISTE: Thank you.

RICE: No, Mr. Ben-Veniste...

BEN-VENISTE: I will get into the...

RICE: I would like to finish my point here.

BEN-VENISTE: I didn't know there was a point.

RICE: Given that -- you asked me whether or not it warned of attacks.

BEN-VENISTE: I asked you what the title was.

RICE: You said, did it not warn of attacks. It did not warn of attacks inside the United States. It was historical information based on old reporting. There was no new threat information. And it did not, in fact, warn of any coming attacks inside the United States.
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BEN-VENISTE: Well, did you not -- you have indicated here that this was some historical document. And I am asking you whether it is not the case that you learned in the PDB memo of August 6th that the FBI was saying that it had information suggesting that preparations -- not historically, but ongoing, along with these numerous full field investigations against Al Qaida cells, that preparations were being made consistent with hijackings within the United States?

RICE: What the August 6th PDB said, and perhaps I should read to you...

BEN-VENISTE: We would be happy to have it declassified in full at this time, including its title.

(APPLAUSE)

RICE: I believe, Mr. Ben-Veniste, that you've had access to this PDB. But let me just...

BEN-VENISTE: But we have not had it declassified so that it can be shown publicly, as you know.

RICE: I believe you've had access to this PDB -- exceptional access. But let me address your question.

BEN-VENISTE: Nor could we, prior to today, reveal the title of that PDB.

RICE: May I address the question, sir?

The fact is that this August 6th PDB was in response to the president's questions about whether or not something might happen or something might be planned by Al Qaida inside the United States. He asked because all of the threat reporting or the threat reporting that was actionable was about the threats abroad, not about the United States.

This particular PDB had a long section on what bin Laden had wanted to do -- speculative, much of it -- in '97, '98; that he had, in fact, liked the results of the 1993 bombing.

RICE: It had a number of discussions of -- it had a discussion of whether or not they might use hijacking to try and free a prisoner who was being held in the United States -- Ressam. It reported that the FBI had full field investigations under way.

And we checked on the issue of whether or not there was something going on with surveillance of buildings, and we were told, I believe, that the issue was the courthouse in which this might take place.

Commissioner, this was not a warning. This was a historic memo -- historical memo prepared by the agency because the president was asking questions about what we knew aISTE: If you are willing to declassify that document, then others can make up their minds about it.

Let me ask you a general matter, beyond the fact that this memorandum provided information, not speculative, but based on intelligence information, that bin Laden had threatened to attack the United States and specifically Washington, D.C.

There was nothing reassuring, was there, in that PDB?

RICE: Certainly not. There was nothing reassuring.

But I can also tell you that there was nothing in this memo that suggested that an attack was coming on New York or Washington, D.C. There was nothing in this memo as to time, place, how or where. This was not a threat report to the president or a threat report to me.

BEN-VENISTE: We agree that there were no specifics. Let me move on, if I may.
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G_MAN113 · Apr 8, 2004

This is not a fact-finding mission. It's a witch hunt in an election year. It would be a mistake to assume otherwise.

bayareatiger · Apr 8, 2004

What was amazing to me was the applause.

It seemed partisan and totally misplaced...
...almost like cheerleaders at a funeral....

I didn't get the point of it.....

Jetstorm · Apr 8, 2004

G_MAN113 said:

This is not a fact-finding mission. It's a witch hunt in an election year. It would be a mistake to assume otherwise.
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Exactly, although I believe this is more about the internal machinations of the federal bureaucracy than partisan politics (although the never-ending struggle between elephant and donkey will factor in sooner or later, you can bet on that). Anytime something bad happens, an investigation must be conducted, fault pinpointed, blame assigned. And chances are, whoever that blame gets assigned to will have their career and/or life destroyed as "punishment" for their "incompetence."

Why can't we just admit the truth; 9/11 was everybody's fault, because we were, as an entire nation, completely unprepared for the kind of attack that fell upon us that day, and at the same time nobody's fault, because no one in our entire national defense/security apparatus was expecting or was even contemplating a suicide attack on such a massive and well-coordinated scale and with such cold methodology. It was a failure to think outside the box. It was a failure to fully grasp and comprehend the depravity and fanatical hatred of our enemies and just how far they were willing to go to inflict heavy damage and pain upon America and her people.

If the goal of the Commission is to assign blame, there is your answer right there. If the goal is to prevent another attack of similar method and scale, then the Commission is a waste of time. I can assure you all that 9/11 was a one-shot deal and that it will never happen again. We now know what the Islamo-psychos are willing and able to do. If a plane is hijacked anywhere over America by terrorists, the chances of the passengers laying down like sheep to be slaughtered are not as good as they were before 9/11. If a plane flies below regulation altitude close to a U.S. city and fails to respond to the control tower requests for it to pull up or change course, it will be blown out of the sky before it gets even close to it's target. We will no longer treat airline hijackings as hostage crises. We will treat them as comandeered weapons of mass destruction.

alaman · Apr 10, 2004

What did you expect. The demoncraps are the replacements for the communist party.

tiger fan 2001 · Apr 10, 2004

Dr. Rice was cool and together. They demanded to hear from her and she made them look like the witch hunters they are.

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