Boss the Plane the Plane

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  1. uscvball

    uscvball Founding Member

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    The government is by and for the people so, it's the same for me. Somehow, being "official" seems to make a lot of folks feel they can get away with stuff and.....they apparently can. The mere size, power, and formidable nature of the US government allows them to act almost without reproach or consequence. I tend to think most Americans would be shocked to find out exactly and specifically what our government (read CIA) does in the name of "justice and freedom".
     
  2. Tiger Exile

    Tiger Exile Long time lurker

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    The radical left still has plenty of anarchists - the riots in Seattle and the occupy movement as well as violence outside of the G-20 summit show that it is still alive and well on that side of center.
     
  3. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Those were not anti-government movements! G-20 Protests are about disquiet over economic policy, anger at the banking system and bankers' remuneration, and concerns over climate change. The Occupy Movement was about perceived social and economic inequality. None of them are anti-government, they are actually protected free speech in a free society. Most protesters are not anarchists. They want to change government not get rid of it or secede from it. The true anarchists bomb federal buildings, bomb the Olympic games, and violate federal explosives and firearms laws while raising private paramilitary forces.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    No way that the plane could have gotten that far without being picked up by Indian and Pakistani Radar, not to mention US radars in the area. And at those altitudes in the mountains it would take the full 6500 feet to land a 777.
     
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    Assaulting the police, crapping on police cars, smashing windows of buildings associated with a government meeting are in effect anti-government and meet the lawless portion of anarchy. There are also plenty of cases of "green anarchists" which include torching a building at Michigan State as well as the ELF - with convictions of conspiring to use fire or explosives to damage corporate and government property. Bomb makers are alive and well on the left and the right.
     
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  7. COTiger

    COTiger 2010 Bowl Pick 'Em Champ

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    Assuming it was turned on and working.
     
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  8. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Mostly on the right. You got a left-wing equivalent to McVeigh or Rudolph? No.

    Look, the ELF is about exploitation and destruction of the environment, not trying to bring down the government. Lawlessness by protesters is not "in effect" an anti-government movement. Greenpeace is not an anti-government movement, just a pro-envioronment movement. The modern anti-government Militia units in this country are very right-wing groups, there are over 300 of them big enough to be recognized. The far-right anti-tax Patriot movement is another one with over 1300 groups. Randy Weaver and David Koresh are more of the same. The Turner Diaries is an right wing anarchists Cookbook. These groups have serious anti-tax, antigovernment agendas and not all of them are violent. But they warn of impending government violence or the need to prepare for a coming revolution.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Well, Pakistan and India are nuclear powers with huge militaries compared to third-world Malaysia. They hate each other and constantly monitor their airspace. There is a war going on in Afghanistan and northwest Pakistan. One would expect their militaries are on top of things.
     
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  10. Tiger Exile

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    Bill Ayres did a pretty good job on his bombs but didn't have military training like McVeigh. The Harvard educated Unabomber was pretty left wing and successful as well. You can say it was the past, but both are still around and unrepentant. Also, we will never know how good the ELF guy was since he got caught in the bomb making stage (the also called themselves green anarchists). As for the protestors, I think they fit this from Merriam-Webster:

    an·ar·chy

    : a situation of confusion and wild behavior in which the people in a country, group, organization, etc., are not controlled by rules or laws


    Randy Weaver's wife and child were murdered by the government so I would say they were justified in being concerned by government violence. I know you will have a great comeback, but he was acquitted of all charges, but failure to appear and the US Government paid over 3 Million dollars to keep the facts out of court. He was a Viet Nam veteran Green Beret targeted by the ATF. It didn't work out so well for the nut job Koresh either but just because he was a fringe Christian, doesn't make him right-wing. Cults have a lot of left leaning members as well. Again, the US Government killed a bunch of children in that event.
     

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