Can Someone Explain

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  1. JustinTI

    JustinTI Founding Member

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    No, LSU went to the Sugar Bowl, and Florida went to the Orange Bowl. Tennessee went to the Citrus or whatever it is called now.
     
  2. MikeD

    MikeD Sports Genius

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    The BCS hasn't been all bad. It's given us a matchup between the consensus #1 and #2 teams. I'd say that's much better than having shared national titles or having two undefeated teams not get to play each other at the end of the year because their conferences were aligned with different bowls.
     
  3. Bengal B

    Bengal B Founding Member

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    Yes but what if there are 3 or 4 undefeated teams from the BCS conferences? What happens if Miami, Notre Dame, Oklahoma and LSU end the season undefeated. LSU and Oklahoma win their conference championship games and are 13-0. The BCS would choose Notre Dame and either Miami or Oklahoma and LSU would be left out in the cold. Last year it worked out with Miami and Ohio State. The year before it was total bullshit that Nebraska who was blown out in their last game and didn't even play in the Big 12 game was the BCS selection to play Miami for the NC.
     
  4. MikeD

    MikeD Sports Genius

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    If there were 4 undefeated teams, someone would get screwed no matter what system was used.

    Notre Dame would only get picked for the NC game if they had a high strength of schedule, some quality wins, and strong computer rankings. Now that doesn't mean that they could get picked for a lower tier BCS bowl over a more deserving team if they went like 9-3, but the BCS has addressed that by making a rule that all teams must be in the top 10 to get picked.

    The BCS doesn't 'choose' teams for the NC game, it uses a formula determined before the season. Nebraska had the highest ranking and so they were determined to be the 2nd best team in the nation for the SEASON. Not for the last game of the season. That year, there was no clear cut #2 team. The Colorado team that blew out Nebraska had 3 losses, so you can have no argument that they desereved to be in the NC game. Oregon had the best argument but they played in a weak PAC 10 and lost to Stanford earlier in the season.

    Should you reward them just because the game they lost was early in the season? No, because the fact that each and every game matters is what makes the college football regular season special. College basketball regular season is pretty meaningless because as long as you're decent, you have a chance to win the NC. In football, you have to take the regular season dead serious because one loss will almost eliminate you from the national championship picture.

    I don't know if this post made any sense as I was just typing things as they came. :)
     
  5. Bengal B

    Bengal B Founding Member

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    Yeah, Right And I believe in the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy. Notre Dame would be picked because they are Notre Dame even if they won every game by 1 point and LSU won every game by 50 points.
     
  6. Bengal B

    Bengal B Founding Member

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    In college basketball you have a chance to win it all because there is a real playoff and if you make it into the field of 64 no matter what you did in the early season and came on strong late you have a shot at winning it all. Lets face it. In every divison of every sport there are real and meaningfull playoffs that are fair to everybody - EXCEPT DIVISION 1A COLLEGE FOOTBALL! Its time for the NCAA powers that be to get their heads and asses out of the sand and institute an 8 team or 16 team playoff for the Division 1A National Championship in football. In 2001 LSU, Colorado, Tennessee, Texas, Oklahoma, Florida and Oregon were all more deserving to play for the NC than Nebraska. LSU had 3 losses during the year but came on strong at the end to be one of the best teams in the NCAA by the end of the year. Likewise for Colorado. Last year the Oakland Raiders lost 4 regular season games. The Tampa Bay Bucs lost twice to the Saints. Did that keep them out of the Superbowl? Hell No it didn't. The Bucs and the Raiders were in the Superbowl because they were the best 2 teams at the end of the season and they were allowed to earn the right to play for the title by beating other good teams who had earned the right to be in the playoffs. In the NFL, Division 1AA, Division II and Division III teams that might have early season losses but come on strong and win their conferences earn the right to play for a championship on the field. Win and you play another game. Lose and you go home. Same thing with NCAA basketball and baseball. The LSU baseball team started the 2003 season losing 2 of 3 to Houston and getting swept by a mediocre Kansas team. Because it was baseball and not Division 1A football the Tiger baseball team was able to overcome their early season losses and build momentum to the point where they were good enough to go the to College World Series. The LSU basketball team didn't look too good for much of the early part of the season but the put it together late in the season for some big wins over quality opponents and were selected for the NCAA playoffs. ITS TIME TO GIVE DIVISION 1A COLLEGE FOOTBALL TEAMS THE SAME OPPORTUNITY!!
     
  7. MobileBengal

    MobileBengal Founding Member

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    He is right, though. Notre Dame's name means exactly shit to the computers and formulas. The only way their name would give them an advantage would be in the AP and coaches polls. Because those are still human polls, and they influence the BCS. I do believe Notre Dame gets some media bias, but not as you seem to think. Last year ND finished the year 10-3 and ranked 11th/17th. The last time we finished 10-3, we were ranked 7th and 8th. They lost to BC, USC, and NC St., all of which are pretty good teams. Yet, they are ranked below us in all the preseason polls, despite returning more starters. I agree that we need a playoff, but the BCS is the best thing we have had, so far. We dont need to worry about ND, we need to worry about ourselves, and we will get every opportunity we deserve.
     
  8. SoLa in NoIll

    SoLa in NoIll Founding Member

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    Actually, Bengal B, I think you need to be a member here in order to figure out the BCS formula:

    http://www.bayesian.org/
     
  9. Reauxrin' Tiger

    Reauxrin' Tiger Founding Member

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    If you don't win the SEC championshio, you're not really guaranteed anything. Look at Arkansas last year. You could say they were the #2 team in the SEC because they played in the SECCG, but they fell all the way to the Music City Bowl. I think the Capital One Bowl has the highest payout of any non-bcs bowl with an SEC tie-in.
    :lsup:
     
  10. BayouBengal

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    Earlier in the thread several of us pointed that out. It seems like you are better off not going to the SECCG than going an losing. Look at Ark and Tenn the past two years.

    What's funny is had LSU lost the 2001 SEC Title game noone would be complaining about the BCS screwing over people for the title game because Tennessee would have gone and they were #2 then. LSU won the game and that is what allowed Nebraska to sneak in. I was at the Independence Bowl last year when Ole Miss and Nebraska played and I had several Husker fans say thanks for beating Tenn and giving them a shot in the Rose Bowl. Most of their fans were great people.
     

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