Democrats Vying for Presidential Nomination

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  1. Winston1

    Winston1 Veteran Member

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    I haven’t heard a single issue where the Democrats have come up with a reasonable alternative.

    O Rourke wants to take your guns away (unconstitutional)
    Sanders and Warren are both on this socialized medicine kick.
    They ALL pretty much want to throw the constitution out the window.
    They ALL want open borders with no restrictions
    They ALL support The climate change hoax, which is nothing more than a Trojan Horse for socialism.
    ..... and the final and most important point, NONE of them will give up their elite status to become a victim of the policies they propose. ... they, as all socialist, exploit the poor and the marginalized for their own political and financial gain.

    I’ll be voting for Trump.
     
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    Bengal B Founding Member

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    AOC announced she is supporting Bernie Sanders.
     
  4. Winston1

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    If the European Nations, such as Sweden and Denmark, and Canada new what was good for them, they’d jump in and oppose socialized medicine in the US. They get away demanding huge discounts in medical products because the companies make up the difference and their profits off the US system. When the US system goes away, their spending per capita is going to skyrocket. Newer products will leave the market, and you will see an end to medical innovation.
     
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  6. Winston1

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    This from American Consequences says it well. The stark reality is that everyone of the democrat candidates is touting the unrealistic free stuff for all that will destroy this country.

    “Before you spit out your coffee or throw your computer across the room at what is an obvious (and outrageous) question, let's take a quick trip back to Tuesday night in Ohio. The top 12 Democrat candidates were on stage for their fourth debate, and it quickly turned into the usual avalanche of "free stuff" promises... free health care, free college, free childcare. That's just a start.

    Sure, there was some other stuff discussed. The candidates on the stage all agreed that President Trump should be impeached due to his long string of criminal conduct, that his recent decision to pull back a small number of U.S. troops from the Syrian-Turkish border is worse than the Pearl Harbor attack, and any number of other wild exaggerations.

    On spending, however, the Democrats can't really hide the truth anymore. They want a bigger government – a much bigger government.

    How much more spending are we really talking about?

    And how much larger would our government apparatus have to be to administer such a supremely engorged federal leviathan?

    Well, on the "Medicare for All" promise alone, the Democrats are talking about tens of trillions of dollars in additional government spending. The sheer weight of the numbers – the inescapable, mind-boggling math – that a single-payer health care plan would involve has gotten even some Democratic candidates to think twice about supporting it.

    Here's how Joe Biden described the problem with "Medicare for All":

    But here's the deal. On the single most important thing facing the American public, I think it's awfully important to be straightforward with them. The plan is going to cost at least $30 trillion over 10 years. That is more on a yearly basis than the entire federal budget.

    That's right, folks. As if the government isn't taking enough of your money, you now have two of the top three (Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders) Democratic candidates advocating for the abolition of private health insurance, and a more-than-doubling of all federal expenditures.

    Where would this money come from? Senator Warren seemed equally defensive and evasive when pushed on this point. Here's where she says the federal government will find the additional $3 trillion a year in spending:

    So the way I see this, it is about what kinds of costs middle-class families are going to face. So let me be clear on this. Costs will go up for the wealthy. They will go up for big corporations. And for middle-class families, they will go down. I will not sign a bill into law that does not lower costs for middle-class families.

    There is simply no way that "costs" (a euphemism for taxes) will go up enough for the wealthy and corporations to fund this massive healthcare overhaul. Warren has to know that, but she also recognizes that for the left-wing, socialist base of the Democratic party, it's not about the numbers... It's about health care as a human right – and a healthy dose of class warfare.

    The national debt is $22.8 trillion and counting. It seems that an increasingly large part of the Democrat-Socialist Left will never be satisfied until we test out the theory that a government can spend whatever it wants and handle the consequences later.

    The GOP spends too much... The Democrats want to spend even more. One day, this country is going to find out – the hard way – that math has a way of enforcing reality on us all.”
     
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    Trump is against everything you are against that the Dems want to impose should they get elected yet you act like Trump is the devil himself, I don't get you.
     
  8. onceanlsufan

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    If you don't get Winston, then you are not paying much attention.

    I get Winston, ... he does not support socialists policies .... but feels Trump should hide his narcissism. Trump is without doubt a narcissists.... but then, so are all the rest ..... they just hide it. Winston is the type who agrees with Trumps stances or at the very least he disagrees with the Lefts stances, but he does not agree with the blatant in your face approach of Trump. Trump does exactly what Obama did, but Trump doesn't hide it. I personally like that about him ... Winston does not.

    As Winston has said ... he'll hold his nose and vote for Trump in the Election .. as he does not support the loony left.
     
  9. Winston1

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    There’s more than Trump’s narcissistic behavior that I don’t like @onceanlsufan. I have strongly supported his court nominations and his tax plan. I also like some of his deregulation efforts. However there are more significant issues. He is continuing Obama’s unconstitutional use of executive power. He has not filled important posts in the executive branch leaving low level Obama stooges in place. He has created more of a one man rule than is healthy. His continued blundering foreign policy is even more destructive than Obama’s was. He has shown no interest in managing the deficit...in fact he’s spending more like Pelosi et al than a conservative. I have real issues with his extreme position on immigration and tariffs. His industrial policy is beginning to backfire. It seems he’s making decisions for his benefit rather than the country’s. He seems to wallow in his ignorance. Finally he’s not temperamentally fit.
    No if it were only his narcissism and crude language I wouldn’t have any issues. There are serious and important differences between Trump’s positions and mine.
     
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  10. HalloweenRun

    HalloweenRun I'll try to be nicer, if you try to be smarter!

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    Geez . . . How many times do I have to explain it. This is not a zero sum game. Detesting Trump IS NOT liking Democrats. One (me) can dislike all of them. It might be easier on cognition to make politics “either/or” but it is grossly inaccurate.
     
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