Devery Henderson runs a sub 4.2 fourty today....

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  1. G_MAN113

    G_MAN113 Founding Member

    Nov 10, 2003
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    I always heard that Bo Jackson supposedly ran a 4.18 when he was at Auburn. Don't know who timed it, though or how official it was, or what the circumstances were. Could just be part of Bo's legend.
  2. ChineseBandit

    ChineseBandit Founding Member

    Aug 26, 2003
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    OK guys NO ONE runs a sub 4.2 40. Times like that are bogus. Dieon, Devery, Bo, Maurice Green; none of them can run that fast. When a steroid enhanced Ben Johson won the 100 meter in 1988 with a time of 9.79, he covered the first 40 yards in approximately 4.26 seconds and he was regarded as one of the greatest starters in the history of sprinting.

    So Devery is very fast, but he's not that fast.
  3. MikeD

    MikeD Sports Genius

    Sep 5, 2002
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    Forty times are bogus in the NFL
    April 17, 2001

    There is something that makes no sense to me, and, for once, it doesn't
    involve Mark Cuban. No, it's what I'm hearing about Michael Vick, the
    first choice in this weekend's draft. The word starting to make the
    rounds on the Virginia Tech quarterback is that he can run the 40 in
    less than 4.3 seconds.

    I never saw Vick run a 40, and I wasn't at his workout at Virginia Tech.
    But one thing I can guarantee is this: Vick cannot run the 40 in under
    4.3 seconds. Heck, he can't run it under 4.4, either.

    That's not a knock on Vick. It's a knock on an NFL practice that is
    absolutely, positively out of whack. I'm talking about 40-yard dash
    times. They're the standard by which draft-eligible players are
    measured, and they're as reliable as UFO sightings.

    Yet when the NFL begins its march of draftees on Saturday you're going
    to hear how one running back ran a 4.32, a wide receiver peeled off a
    4.34 or some 350-pound lummox breezed through a 4.85. It makes for good
    copy. But so did Paul Bunyan.

    "The only way to get a true 40-yard dash time is to get electronic
    timing where a man breaks a wire when he leaves the starting gate," said
    Buffalo's vice president in charge of player personnel, Dwight Adams.
    "The 40 is a common denominator in football, but it's blown way out of
    proportion. It's physically impossible to run a 4.2 and, probably, a

    Don't tell that to the guys holding stopwatches. I remember when Vance
    Johnson, then a wide receiver at the University of Arizona, ran the 40
    in 4.19 seconds. At least that's what I was told. I guess Denver was,
    too, because the Broncos made him their second-round draft pick in 1985.

    I also remember when Laveranues Coles, then a wide receiver at Florida
    State, was supposed to have run a 4.16. Nobody said anything about it
    being wind-aided, but it would have taken Hurricane Andrew to push him
    to a finish like that. The Jets media guide has him clocked at 4.29 last
    year, and there was no wind advisory there, either.

    The NFL scouting combine has been using electronic timing since 1990,
    but that's one year after Deion Sanders set the standard against which
    all others are measured. Sanders ran a 4.29 in Prime Time, and nobody
    has beaten the mark since.

    "You've got to take into consideration that most of these times are done
    with stopwatches," said San Diego State's Rahn Sheffield, coach of the
    women's track and field squad and a former track star himself. "A 4.2
    really translates to a 4.4. When you hand time (dashes) it opens up room
    for human error. So when a Marshall Faulk runs a 4.33, it really equates
    to a 4.5."

    All of which comes as no news to Adams, who for years has laughed off
    40-yard dashes and vertical jumps and long jumps as insignificant
    measures of a football prospect's abilities. He's more interested in
    production, which makes a lot of sense to me . and anyone else who
    believes stopwatches weren't made for football.

    Remember when Jerry Rice emerged from Mississippi Valley State in 1985?
    He was supposed to be too slow. Same with USC running back Marcus Allen.
    Yeah, well, I never saw a defensive back who could catch Rice from
    behind until he tore up his knee, and Allen's a lock for the Hall of

    O.J. Simpson might have been the fastest back to play the game. Go ahead
    and make a case for Bo Jackson. Maybe Herschel Walker, too. But Simpson
    ran a leg on Southern Cal's 440-yard relay team, one that set a world
    record, and if he were in this year's draft he'd be the fastest running
    back by far; faster than Big-10 sprint champion Michael Bennett. Faster
    than LaDainian Tomlinson. Faster than Deuce McAllister.

    Any idea what Simpson ran for a 40? I do. Try 4.5. If you don't believe
    him ask. He said it shortly after he left USC.

    "I must've missed something here," said Adams. "I spent some time this
    spring with an Olympic sprinter, and we sat in a stadium together,
    watching guys work out and talking about how the 40-yard dash times were
    way overdone."

    The sprinter was Dennis Mitchell. Yeah, THAT Dennis Mitchell. He and
    Adams were together at the University of Florida, and when they heard
    times of some of the guys they watched Mitchell said nothing. He just
    shook his head.

    "He was a little shocked," said Adams. "Being a great sprinter, he'd
    never seen so many people running 4.1s and 4.2s. I've talked to (track
    coach) Brooks Johnson and others who say, 'You football people are way
    ahead of us.' Of course, they're facetious."

    If Adams had his way, he'd rely more on times for shorter distances --
    especially for offensive and defensive linemen. Make them stop running
    40s and time them for 10s, maybe 20s. That's all they usually cover,

    "I could see it," said Cleveland's vice president in charge of football
    operations, Dwight Clark. "But for running backs, wide receivers and
    defensive backs, I'd like to see the 40 stay."

    The Browns don't rely on others' times. They clock prospects themselves,
    and if they don't, they don't have a record of them. The Browns never
    timed anyone at 4.2. They never timed anyone at 4.3, either, though they
    had the University of Arizona's Trung Canidate at 4.32 last year. I
    wasn't at that workout, either, but I know something was wrong.

    And here's why. The fastest starter I ever saw was sprinter Ben Johnson,
    and at the 1988 Seoul Olympics track and field's fastest starter ran the
    100 meters in a blistering 9.79 seconds, a time that later was
    disallowed after Johnson tested positive for steroids. Know how fast he
    covered the first 40? It was 4.69 seconds. Forty meters is approximately
    44 yards, which means Johnson ran the first 40 in 4.26.

    So, now, let's see if I have this straight: The chemically enhanced
    Johnson, the fastest starter in track history, ran the fastest 100 in
    history . only it was one-tenth of a second slower than Laveranues Coles
    a year ago and three one-hundreths of a second ahead of Sanders' NFL
    combine record.

    It makes you wonder. It makes you wonder why anyone believes this stuff.

    "I look at guys like Mean Joe Greene and Steve Van Buren and wonder how
    many 4.3s those guys did," said Adams. "I think we've gotten to the
    point where we've overdone the clock workout."
  4. Rece@2022

    Rece@2022 Founding Member

    Feb 4, 2004
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    7 says Dev ran 4.3's and Gay ran lower 4.3's. Clayton ran 4.5's
  5. Hub

    Hub Founding Member

    Sep 2, 2001
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    This and the posts that followed is the crap that eats my ass up. If you wanted it known about so damn much then why didn't you post a copy of the article yourself with a link to your site in the first place. It's not like it's your first trip to this site 1) with +300 posts and 2) Seeing it the same day he posted it.

    If you want your work or site know then promote it yourself. Don't ride some guys ass b/c he fails to link the source.............
  6. ok awesome

    ok awesome geaux

    Oct 20, 2002
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    I did post the article here the day it got put on the net, and not one person replied to the thread.

    When I get information from here and post it on other boards I say that I got it from here. Thats just what you're supposed to do. I posted one simple sentence, he's the one who provoked the rest.
  7. tirk

    tirk im the lyrical jessie james

    Feb 4, 2004
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    i didnt provoke anything. i posted the damn article i read and forgot to post the link. sue me. I should have left the author off and not cited the source so then your response would have had merit but it didn't. you provoked it by responding but hey, do as you want. Hub hit it right on the head. I even praised your site after your comment. heh.
  8. Hub

    Hub Founding Member

    Sep 2, 2001
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    My general point being others aren't responsible for promoting it.

    Anyway, I checked out your site looks pretty cool and informative. As a means of promotion why not ask Brett if he could link it from TF. It doesn't look like a "competitor" board so I don't see why it couldn't be done unless there are other issues. Of course you would have to reciprocate. If this does work I will be looking for my fee.........

    To the point of the thread. IMO, if you run a sub 4.4 then you are a blazer. 4.4,4.3,4.2 doesn't matter no one is going to catch you.

    As for Devery specifically. I've just got this feeling that he is going to be an outstanding pro. Being a receiver for only 2-3 years so far his development has been incredible. His hands have improved drastically and his route running as well. But what has impressed me most with him is his physical development. You can remember as a frosh he was a toothpick who could fly. Now he has put on some weight, I would guess 20 pounds of muscle from his frosh to senior yr, and looks to have still maintained his blazing speed. IMO, he will be a better pro than Clayton. I just think Clayton's speed is going to be a liability just like Reed's looks to have been so far.
  9. ok awesome

    ok awesome geaux

    Oct 20, 2002
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    You could have said "my bad I left off the link, I usually don't do that" and it would have been over.
  10. ok awesome

    ok awesome geaux

    Oct 20, 2002
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    And I may have gone a little overboard, I'm sorry, but this is about the 540004th time this has happened. I didn't mean to attack you specifically. Technically it is against the law to copy an entire digital intellectual property (i.e. articles from websites), what you're supposed to do is post a couple paragraphs and link it. Of course I'm not suing anyone over it, but it gets annoying when things like this happen all the time yet no one knows it came from your site that you put a lot of work into.

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