While hi-point reminds a lot of the old Lorcin(sp?) handguns, total pieces of chit... keltec could be worse. It seems the only "decent", if you want to call it that, keltecs are the very small caliber ones. My life is worth the price, quality, and dependability of the higher class companies. LOL I had a Lorcin .380 that was only good for being a paper weight.