No G_MAN, that's NOT what I'm saying at all. I'm speaking in reference to the mean spirited attitude of SF as regards his citing the quote of W. Criticism of one's opinions is a far cry from the attitude expressed in that quote. I'll say this, if W did in fact say that, I don't know what more proof you guys need to see that this guy is totally unfit to be the leader of this great country. When you go into public office here, your personal feelings don't amount to a hill of beans. You are in office to SERVE AND REPRESENT ALL the people of America, not just those who have the views you do. That is why personal issues such as religion should never be allowed into the political process. If you can't separate your personal ideals and desires from the performance of your governmental duties, except to hold yourself and your behavior and those in your charge to the highest standards of honesty and fairness, then you have no business in office. And yes Tirk, it was Ike. I wan't trying to say anything in particular, Martin ,I just found those quotes by two entirely different men of entirely different philosophies thought provoking, at least for me. I thought someone else might as well.