Guilbeau: LSU’s Perrilloux has his way with Miles

not only that, but look at the impressive rap sheets Miami alums have.

a player was shot a couple years ago
Michael Irvin with a room full of hookers and cocaine
Ray Lewis with that murder he witnessed
the Shaun Taykor thing (yeah, he was prolly innocent, but doesn't change the public view).
The brawl with LSU
The brawl with FIU
The near brawl with Louisville

 

You quoted me when I was saying fan bases shouldnt call out others for being thugs when they have some of there own, they just dont know it. I was not calling out anyone here nor talking about FSU/Miami, rather schools that call out LSU about RP/Les, or schools not thought of as trouble schools.

I realize we have problems, as I mentioned earlier.

It is a combination and not really so much on the playing field. If you are an opponent of a team chances are you will think half of their team is a thug, but they aren't always understood. We had guys celebrate flamboyantly but they are good guys...so it is mainly what they did off the field there and after college.

Once you get the rep it is hard to get rid rid of, even if it is no different than other schools. A lot of it has to do with what they did after going to school there. This is why a lot wanted RP gone because that reputation isn't fair to players down the line and can be damaging to your program's future.

 

None of that really rings a bell to me. Never heard of the player that was shot. I didn't know Irvin went to Miami (although I knew about the cocaine stuff as a Cowboy), never heard about Ray Lewis being involved with a murder, I have no idea who Shaun Taykor is, and I don't remember the brawl with Louisville. Heck, I forgot about the brawl with LSU, but now I remember it now that you reminded me. The only thing I remember was the brawl with the small in-state Florida school (but I couldn't remember if it was FIU or Florida Atlantic).

Point is, the thing I do remember about Miami is them running their mouths on the field and before big games and coming across like a bunch of cocky thugs on-the-field. I think its the on-the-field stuff that gives Miami a bad rap to me, not their off-the-field stuff. But sure, there's a correlation, but to me, the most important thing for a bad rap is negative on-the-field behavior. Anybody have a problem with RP's on-the-field behavior so far? I thought he came across as pretty humble in the SEC Championship (the way he was so submissive to Matt Flynn on the sideline).

 

Miami and fsu have such a long history of internal problems and alum problems, on and off the field, it isn't even funny! The miami fans I talk to here are a lot of times embarressed by the problems but when they are winning are willing to ignore it (as we all are), the problem is you ignore it long enough and the good kids that are also good recruits come to believe the reputation and stray to more stablized teams. Which in my opinion starts the demise of a team, kids playing for their name and not the school, which kills that "team" thing.

Of course this is only my opinion.

One of the reasons I loved our team last year even if we didn't go to nor win the national championship was because they played together and stuck together like a family, dysfunctional at times, but still a family! They were as a whole a group of guys to be proud of and as individuals but you would never hear them say that!

EDIT: sorry nootch didn't mean to quote reply you really there.

 

I remember the shooting all to well. Had to drive past the site on my way to my job site in coral gables and I didn't know what had happened at the time. Found out later. Wasn't he a quarterback for them and was suppose to be pretty good? Can't remeber the particulars now.

Sad though either way, wasted life so young.

 

Bryan Pata, a Defensive End.

 

Yeah, but I never had a problem with Miami coming across as a bunch of individuals. I thought Miami played together and stuck together like a team just as well as LSU does. The difference is that they played together and stuck together like a band of cocky arrogant thugs. The LSU team may or may not do that behind closed doors, in the locker room, whatever, but I don't see the LSU team coming together as a cocky ass thug family like Miami did when it came to their cocky ass on-the-field and game-related attitude.

 

You may not have but how many times did you watch them play in the last 10 years.

Trust me most fans did and so did their "new" coach, randy shannon, one of the first things he did was remove their names from their jerseys to signify they were a team and not individuals.

Not trying to be nasty but telling you what I know.

 

When I was younger, I actually used to be really big on that... the college football teams that didn't allow their players to have their names on their jerseys.

To Tiger trivia buffs:

Has LSU ever done that?

I'd be for LSU doing it right now, but its not that big of a deal to me anymore.

As a coach, I've never put player's names on their jerseys (but nobody ever asked me to).

As a player, I've played for some somewhat elite teams in my day, and none of them allowed us to have our names on our jerseys (best I got was having our names stenciled on our fancy warm-ups).

But, despite the fact we didn't have our names on our jerseys, I had a couple teammates who foolishly didn't understand the basic concept that playing as a team was more important than constantly attempting some flash at highly talented moves that did squat for the overall goal of team victory.

But that's honestly not a problem I have with Miami players. Miami was a good team with good team players, that's why they were so great. They just had a poor cocky thug attitude that I've never seen on any team I've coached or played for... or even competed against. Miami's crap was pretty ridiculous to me, but they did it together as a team.

But of course, I'm no expert on Miami, it's just why they have a bad rep to me.

 

shannon has a great job cleaning up that program and all the crap that goes along with it. the vets can still come back and workout with the team but they cant influence the younger guys anymore and get away with it just because it is a "u" thing. plus he knows as well as anyone what those problems lead to.

he may never be a good coach but the next guy that comes in will have a much better environment to work in.