That's certainly not what I meant (that anyone who doesn't agree is racist). I just find the particular arguing point of "Why isn't there a white [organisation in question]?" as exceedingly ignorant, and it reminds of arguments I've heard people of Duke's ilk make. That's all I meant by that statement.

And in answer to that argument: Practically everything is to the advantage for people with light skin; that's why such groups as NAACP or BCA exist - to try to even the playing field. I'm not saying that I agree with the call for a boycott, but they have the right to boycott whomever they choose if they feel that it's neccessary. It's nonsensical to suggest that the BCA believes there's no real reason to boycott, but are just doing it to further some "cause". (If they were only worried about politics, they would likely try less controversial tactics than boycotts.) I guess I just don't get some of the posters here who think they know what another person (or group of people) is thinking.

Besides, players and parents may listen to the BCA's stand, but if they don't agree, they'll go to SC anyway. It's not like the BCA is trying to force anyone to not go there; it's just their official position on the matter.

Again, sorry if anyone thought I was calling them a racist; that was not my intention.

Thanks for enforcing my point, Twisted.

The NBA is just the opposite - very few white players, yet plenty of white coaches (although more blacks have been hired recently). Percentage-wise, there should only be maybe 3 white coaches in the NBA.

So if NCAA were like the NBA, since they have an even ratio in players, there should be at least as many black coaches as white.

Of course, no one is suggesting such a quota system, because everyone wants whoever is best, and a quota system would in itself be a racist construct. But without even a simulacrum of even ratios from playing to coaching, it's obvious that something is wrong. Look at white coaches like Dinardo, O'Leary, &c. Do those guys really deserve second chances after mediocrity and even scandals, instead of the numerous young assistants (both white and black) who should be the pool of tomorrow's great head coaches? Just seems strange to me.

So I guess your point was . . . what? That the NBA has an even greater disparity between the races in favour of white coaches? I agree. So you're saying we shouldn't care about the NCAA's problems because it's not as bad? I seriously don't get your point.

Do you also believe that school's should offer schollys to more white players also? I have noticed that a very large percentage of college football has become African-American but should we also say that half schollys should go to whites too. What if a black linebacker messes up at LSU and gets expelled, should he get another chance at another school? I just don't understand picking someone on the basis of their race for anything.

maybe instead of more black coaches in the NBA, white people should lobby the NBA to adopt quotas so that a team HAS to hire more White players! yeah, even if they can't dunk it!
I mean what's this silly notion of hiring folks for how WELL they can do a job anyway, that's just stupid! I mean we all know that quotas exist because of bigotry and if it wasn't for quotas, the sorry KKK toting white supremicist that are so prevelant in the United States today among whites, would never hire the first Black man for any job or admit him/her to any school right?

But the "system" ( what system??? there's a system? it must be a "secret" system) ( the one with the quotas? ) is so overwhelmingly in favor of light skinned people as you say it. this is great news! next time I see an NBA game I just KNOW half the team will be white! :dis: Thanks for this news.

ridiculous. :dis:

I just know I'll be called a KKK member or david duke follower now :dis:

There are obviously a lot of things that you don't get and yes you are a very very confused individual. :dis: :dis: :dis: :dis: :dis: :dis: :dis: :dis: :dis: :dis: :dis: :dis:

There's the rub, Torgo. Granted, racism and discrimination were part of the fabric of American society until Civil Rights legislation forced change, at least legally. I am not naive enough to believe that it has been wiped out in the minds of some, but there are no longer the advantages to whites that you refer to. Those groups like the NAACP and the more recent BCA served a purpose and that was to foster the elevation of blacks to their rightful place as equals in American society. Blacks have arrived. They are equal. What sets people off is that groups like the BCA want more than equality. There is another coaches association, I believe it's the AFCA which is comprised of coaches, regardless of their ethnicity. Their members are simply coaches. Don't you think they would have the same complaint about South Carolina? The Gamecocks simply picked Spurrier with no effort to look at other available, qualified candidates. Why doesn't the AFCA protest that they weren't consulted? Because they know that USC can hire anyone they want to and it's not perceived as a slight to all other coaches out there who are qualified to be the HC at USC.
It's not what you say...but how you say it.

I read & then re-read the article, and Mr. Keith's main problem seems to be the fact that South Carolina treated them exactly the way they needed to be treated: As if they don't exist.

Mr. Keith is annoyed that a high profile job opening appeared, and his precious group that wants to be utilized and recognized as something important was not. Their prestige would be greatly enhanced if they were consulted on every coaching hire in America. They would also garner more power, and wield it accordingly. I wonder if they would use it in a just manner? No one knows for sure, but, this is not about race.

This is about a marginal organziation that plays no real or tangible role in decisions of big-time collegiate athletics (Does anyone think Keith would be listened to by the University of Oregon as intently as Phil Knight would be? Or how closely the BCA could affect a coaching search at Arkansas if its outlook differed with the Walton family?) wishing someone would pay attention to it in such a way as to ascribe it some real or tangible role in decisions of big-time collegiate athletics.

Racism still exists, but Jim Crow was erased from everything but history and memory, long, long ago. The federal government at various points and instances, along with institutions of higher learning, have even tried to use Affirmative Action as a means to correct the playing field and to slant it towards the those who were slighted by those terms like racism and Jim Crow. It's proven to be nothing more than reverse racism.

The problem does not exist anymore. Poor coaching hires are made every day in big time collegiate athletics, but exactly 0% are due to racism.

It's akin to asking why the National Gay & Lesbian Alliance, or the Jewish Anti-Defamation League, or some other group group doesn't have more influence in the coaching hires of big-time collegiate athletics. Get over it. You don't have the power, no one wants to give you any modicum of influence, and the bottom line is because every other organization based along racial lines acts in an unjust manner.

You cannot exist in a country that has laws and ideals that protect the idea that all humans are created equal, and then found an organization that espouses to promote the special interests of a certain skin tone of a certain segment of society, and not be found inherently unbiased.

Period, end of story.

i am from south carolina, and the flag is blue with a little moon and a palmetto tree on it. is that offensive?

and you are correct, the bca has every right to be angry. idiots always get angry over race issues, i wouldnt expect nothing less. people love to waste time being indignant. i enjoy laughing at them.

you talk of the naawp as if that group is somehow less stupid than the naacp. why are people identifying themselves by race? you dont see me joining the blue-eye club, or the whitey club. all of it is pointless.

its silly and people who think that way need to grow out of that sort of tribalism.

merit matters. the quicker we ignore race issues the better. if you are hiring a coach and the association of coaches over six feet tall calls,you dont return their calls either. it has nothing to do with coaching merit. same with race.

complaining is counterproductive. i dont hate blacks in general, but i definitely have less respect for blacks (or anyone) who mindless identifies themself with people of the same color.

if herman edwards was available, i will hire him. i dont care if he is black. people who would call me hoping i would be so stupid as to give a damn if i hire a black or white person do not deserve a return call.

all kidding aside, that was a spectacular post by TE above.

Very well said there Martin and I couldn't agree more.
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