I agree that it is a privilege.

When all of our ancestors, the lowly immigrants they were, came over on boats, they weren't handed government programs to help them survive in this world. They came over with the notion that they had to take this life and run with it; take this opportunity and find their way.

At least that is how my family had to do it. My father and mother never attended college and my grandparents, on military pay, never took any help from people because there was too much pride involved. Instead, my grandmother went to the store to buy the necessities while people on welfare bought steak dinners every night with their stamps.

When does it stop? When does the government step in and say "not on our buck!" That will never happen under Obama Nation. I am all for helping people out but it is those who take advantage of the system and expect the government to help them out of every bind they get themselves into.

Like Bandit said, why should I have to pay for somebody elses health issues? Because it is my responsibility? Bullsh*t, my responsibility is my life and my families life. I am working hard in school and having to take out loans that will have to be paid off in the years after my graduation from Law School; I don't have time to worry about some Joe Schmo down the streets heart attack.

The next thing we will hear is that Barack, the chosen one, will expect Lawyers to provide a percentage of their work as pro bono to the community or that univiersities should be free. No, both of these are privileges, if you cannot pay you recieve the public defender or you do not go to college.

How much does Obama want?

You forgot to mention this part red. Also from the dictionary.

From Dictionary.com:

socialism - noun

(in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.​

From Websters:

a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done



From American Heritage Dictionary:

The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and communism, in which collective ownership of the economy under the dictatorship of the proletariat has not yet been successfully achieved.


Shame on you for attempting to pull the wool over our eyes.

Only criminals have anything to fear from any of that.

Liberals, on the other hand, have everday Americans' liberties in their sights.

Cause they know better what's good for all of us.:rolleye33:

Notice that red did not defend his obvious attempt to misinform us on socialism. I'm sure he figured we were to lazy to do a simple search to prove him wrong..yet again.

What does he do instead...He attempts to show that it's really conservatives that are betraying the constitution. :rolleye33:

If you want to see the constitution distorted and betrayed, just wait until Hussein Obama appoints his supreme court justices. He'll probably be able to appoint two in the next four years. We're freaking screwed.

"Despise the ACLU"...damn skippy!

"Trying to preserve personal liberty"...now that's pretty damn funny!

It's not hard to research the ACLU and find a few cases where they seemed to have protected civil liberties but it's much easier to find them defending criminals, protecting the guilty, or pushing their anti-Christian agenda.

Burn an American flag and it's freedom of speech. Riot and it's freedom of expression. Pray to Alla in the middle of an office and it's freedom of religion. Close your eyes and pray to Jesus in silence and you should be locked in prison for life.

I don't believe I know any conservatives, moderates, or even middle-ground liberals who support the ACLU.

I'm shocked that a self-proclaimed Independent would be such a avid supporter of the ACLU. :hihi:

I'm telling you guys...He's a bleeding heart liberal in sheep's clothing. He only says he's moderate so we'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

It's yet another cheap debating tactic. If Red can claim moderation, then Salty is clearly a radical by comparison.

He may or may not be technically an independent, but clearly Red is a Liberal.

Watch it guys! I feel you're about to receive an "I'm the expert of me." reply from Ole Red. :hihi:

Nah. He's got a record on the board. He can dissemble all he wants. Go for it, Red! Makes for fun "debate"...