News Hospital released Ebola patient by mistake

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  1. gyver

    gyver Rely on yourself not on others.

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    tirk im the lyrical jessie james

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    solyndra is the name of the nurse, right?
     
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    mancha Alabama morghulis

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    He is the former chief of staff for Joe Biden. He has experience with handling the unstable. He will do fine.
     
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    His new boss, Susan Rice, fits that description too so there is that.

    A political insider operative and attorney with no healthcare experience....sounds like the perfect choice.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    These government "czars" don't have anything to do with medical care or any other specialized task, we have plenty of experts on that available. These czar jobs are to coordinate between federal agencies, work with state agencies, keep the executive and Congress informed, and manage money and logistics to enable the expert specialists to do their jobs effectively.

    It takes somebody who is smart, level-headed, capable of dealing with big political egos, and knows his way around Washington.
     
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    mancha Alabama morghulis

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    Agree with the insider/attorney part. Obama is going to put someone he trusts in charge weather we like it or not.

    Regarding the healthcare experience. It is not usually the expert who is the qualified person to co-ordinate a team. There is often a separation in brain codes between a scientific expert (in this case medical expert) and a leader/organizer. An expert, with all of his/her knowledge, is not often a good leader. A good leader is not often an expert at one thing. Obama had a Dr. leading the way previously and she obviously failed.

    Hospitals are run by Management professionals and patients are treated by doctors. This seems very much like the same scenario. We will see how it plays out. Obama can't afford another screw up.
     
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    mancha Alabama morghulis

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    You beat me to the punch on this point!
     
  8. GregLSU

    GregLSU LSUFANS.com

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    Obviously the "experts" still don't know what they think they do. Most if not all of the rest of the African countries have banned travel from the hot spots, and 14 or so other nations have some sort of travel restrictions from those countries.

    And now there's an exposed individual on a cruise ship, and another up to 1000 people have been possibly exposed after the nurse travel via plane.

    I'd rather be cautious and do whatever is necessary to protect the American population.
     
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    Let me say this....I thought a czar was a bad idea when McCain brought it up a week ago. I still don't see the point. It's another layer of bureaucracy at a time when we need immediate action. If we need someone who knows his way around Washington, there are plenty of those but we also need a public face/voice and this guy isn't it. Nobody knows him outside the inner circle. The public has no trust and knowing he's an attorney and campaign manager just screams non-transparent to me.

    Part of this person's job will have global reach. What experience does he have there? It also includes managing processes specific to public health, crisis management, and healthcare administration. I agree that it doesn't need to be a doctor and it shouldn't be an "expert". It absolutely should be someone with some kind of healthcare background. Without it, he'll have to bring on his own staff to become informed. I don't believe that we couldn't find someone with all the Washington cred who doesn't also have some healthcare, public health background.

    And again, what the hell is Dr. Nicole Lurie's job? Why has she basically disappeared since getting her current gig? Why isn't she running the show? Why is this czar reporting to Susan Rice of all people? She has been an epic failure more than once. If we have to have a czar, he should report directly to the President.

    Here's what happens when you don't give the CDC temporary control in local public hospitals....Dallas Presby is saying they were following CDC guidelines (because you can't sue the government) but the CDC says they only had the authority to make recommendations. Just now, 3 weeks into this, they are finally moving to the appropriate PPE. We needed immediate action and the catching up process is leaving people exposed and the public questioning medical experts.
     
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    Senegal declared themselves ebola-free today and one of the reasons they cited was having closed their borders.

    I think it's ironically amusing that both Belize and Mexico denied port access to the ship.

    The issue is that the folks who want to control the discussion are keeping it very narrow. It's either a full travel ban or nothing. I tend to believe that there are other options. And of course banning travel originating in hot countries doesn't mean that aid should or would go away. If you keep folks there and flood them with relief (all types), it seems the virus would be stopped much sooner and the spread halted. It's not like without a ban that people aren't being dishonest or sneaking in to the country to get free medical care. It's happening every single day.
     
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