I'm beginning to think I may have been wrong. (a Miles basher)

You are still hedging...7 years before you can make a judgement? lol

Next year will be the year, nearly every single recruit he inherited will be gone, and all of the coaches. If he can come with a strong year next year, I don't care what he inherited, that will tell us what we need to know.

 

Baby steps philter.......baby steps. :yelwink2:

 

thats where you are mistaken. there are no gimme wins. check all the gimmes around the country that end up losses. Then add how Les' teams typically put the game out of reach early as opposed to close games we had grown accustomed to under nick. those so-called gimmies sometimes became losses.

your view is very short-sighted like many casual fans.

 

first of all, wtf is a "casual fan"? i doubt i am one.


second, there are gimmie wins. but only for great coaches in great programs. you telling me so. cal, ohio st, mich, tx (even auburn, wisconsin, va tech) dont have gimmie wins? the only way the top teams lose to kentucky or stanford or northwestern or colorado is if they screw up. they should get no special credit for winning those games. only grief for losing them. that is even more true this year for clm because all the gimmies were at home.

"dont talk to me that way, i take care of my kids"

 

Unless I'm mistaken, you are the Elder Brother of all of the regular posters on this message board.

Speaking for me personally, that counts for a lot. You probably are as close to being right all the time as anybody who posts on here.

If there's anybody who is more of an Elder Brother than SF, let us know.

SF is a Vietnam Vet, by the way, so, hats off and a big salute to him . . .

I'll bet that he was one hell of a Louisiana fighting man back in his day.

LSU! :crystal: :lsup:

 

the great USC which lost as a 2 td favorite over UCLA? great programs dont lose as 14-21 pt favorites do they? especially if they need just one win to make the MNC game. its called a rivalry but USC had won the last 7 against them and most claimed it was a mismatch on paper. a mere formality.

my point is there is no guaranteed win and its a bad way of thinking as a fan much less a coach. you're simply setting yourself up for disappointment by taking wins for granted. I didnt call you a casual fan since i have no idea of knowing but thats certainly what defines one. One who really believes you can simply mark a W on the schedule because a team has less talent. or at least perceived.

LSU had a so-called elite team last year and this year yet struggled with app state and ole miss. its going to happen somewhere along the way, especially in the SEC where many games are much more phyical and take their toll.

but therein lies the problem. there arent really any elite teams unless you believe the media. Miami and FSU consider themselves elite and both ended up one game over .500 in the crappiest ACC i can remember. bama thinks they belong in the conversation and they ended up below .500.

should you win the majority of these 'gimmie' games? certainly. should you assume you will win everyone? you better not, despite the perception of the fanbase and media. coaches deserve credit for all wins just like they get blamed for all losses. you cant have it both ways.

a coach who dismantles teams in today's world of limited schollies and more equal facilities than ever before, deserves much more credit than in the past. the days of nebraska winning every game 76-0 are long gone.

 

i certainly dont think you can just assume a game will be won, but if miles is a great coach (topic of this thread) then you should be able to assume that. there will be games (most every season) where the team is flat (ole miss) or the ball bounces the wrong way too many times (uf) and a team coached by a great coach will win most of those. clm deserves credit for winning these types of games more than the thrashing of arizona, but not as much as winning games against teams of similar calibur. would you want to keep a coach that went 8-4 every year by beating who they should and never beating equally talented teams?

and "i can have it both ways", im a fan, there are no rules.

 

I had a lot of doubts about Miles. I was very pleased with he did, especially last year with Katrina. Still I had some doubts. Towards the end of the year I began gaining more respect for him. Seeing what he did in the bowl, how he handled himself. Simply the things he said left hints of his passion for LSU and the state shined through. I loved how Miles spoke up for LSU to play Michigan so we can prove we are as good as anyone. Then when USC lost, we were stuck with ND. He didnt allow the team to get laxed. He had them up for that game. Now with his hiring of Crowton, gives me a even more faith in him. Each day I gain more respect for Miles. There really is something with the man. Also I guess there is an intelligent brain inside the "Hat."

 

I have to agree with Tirk on this one, just for the fact that if you don't give him credit for any of those wins or don't want to state the entire record when praising a coach then you'd have to say that Miles record was like 4-2. To put that in another context you'd then have to say Tressell's record this year was 2-1 since they only played 3 good teams. Carr's record would be 1-2. Carroll's record was what 2-2 in your way of looking at it? So on and so as. The simple fact is, Miles is damn good, as good as any other coach in the country in the 2 years he's been the head man at LSU.

And saying the win over Arizona wasn't impressive is pure BS.

 

Are you sure about that? I think none of the following potential starters were brought in by CLM:

QB: Matt Flynn
WR: Early Doucet
RB Alley Broussard
RB: Jacob Hester
FB: Shawn Jordan

OL: Herman Johnson
OL: Brett Helms
OL: Will Arnold
OL: Carnell Stewart

K: Colt David


DE: Tyson Jackson - Tremaine Johnson
DT: Glen Dorsey
DT: Marlon Favorite - Charles Alexander
DE: Kirston Pittman

LB: Ali Highsmith
LB: Luke Sanders -


CB: SR Chevis Jackson
CB: SR Jonathon Zenon

S: Craig Steltz
S: Curtis Taylor

P: Brady Dalfrey

I'm saying that after watching two years of recruiting, two years of hiring coordinators, and two years of coaching, he looks good. What matters to me is the direction of the program. Based on what I stated, I think it is headed in the right direction. After Saban's second year, I felt extremely positive about the direction of the program. I am not saying I won't support him until he's been here 7 years. I support him now and I always want LSU and LSU coaches to do well.

I'm just saying time will tell. I remember everyone feeling great about Dinardo after his first two years, and how did you feel about him after five years? I'm not hedging my bets; I'm just giving my honest opinion and stating that I thought during the middle of the season that the program may be headed in a slow slide in the wrong direction. Now, after the Crowton hire, and one of the best recruiting classes and LSU history, and pulling out some solid wins to end the season where the team appeared well coached that I think the program is headed in the right direction.

I don't think # of wins is the most important thing. If Miles had 12 or 13 wins but he was hiring lousy coordinators and had a poor recruiting class I would be pessimistic about Miles' job. Just like the Arky fans are pessimistic because of the direction of their program even after a 10 win season.


Incidentally, 75% of our starters next season will still be Saban signees. I don't think that necessarily matters. Unbiased recruiting services do a good job of ranking players overall. I think Miles has done a great job recruiting. I'm just saying that I now feel LSU football is headed in the right direction, so I was probably wrong about CLM.

On a different subject, I think people are way overboard on the Saban hate. Look at where Saban left us in terms of recruiting prowess, academic center, the new football facility, the players we have, the national championship. Saban has made some mistakes but so have we all. Why do we have undying devotion to the current head coach, but when their the former head coach Hallman, DiNardo, Saban, they are either a running joke or Satan?