Is democracy self-sustainig?

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  1. burlesontiger

    burlesontiger Founding Member

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    All the political discussions here have got me thinking...Is democracy self-sustaining?

    The US was created by people who left their native lands to seek a better life for themselves. They had various motivations:religious freedom, economic opportunity, or just plain old adventure. One thing they all had in common was the desire to have self-determination. That is, to be able to make or break their futures with their own hands. Generally speaking, that's what they got when they came here. People were able to rise as far as talent, ability and effort would take them. The rise of this country as a power is almost Darwinian in that aspect. Those who were able to produce eventually came to prominence and directed the path of the country.

    Fast forward 230 years, and what do you see? I see the work and success of past generations enabling the current generation to live a life of ease and luxury that previous generations never dreamed of. Sure, there are many disadvantaged people who would argue with that, but I'm sure 90% of people living now have a better life than their parents in terms of wealth, possessions, and opportunities. Unfortunately, they also have a sense of entitlement, less motivation, and apathy. As long as we can get 157 channels on the satellite, who cares, right?

    How did we get here? Does this prove that a society made up of people determined to succeed, who are given that chance to do so and prosper in it are bound to create such wealth and plenty that succeeding generations will find their living gradually easier and easier until they all just turn into big fat lazy blobs incapable of doing anything for themselves? Have we been resting on our "laurels" for so long that we refuse to acknowledge that we are in decline? And if so, what do you think it would take to change the situation? Major economic collapse? Military defeat on a catastrophic scale? Political revolution?
     
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    martin Banned Forever

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    we are in decline? the way i see it we are making incredible advances in virtually every field. particularly the really awesome ones like genetics and communication.
     
  3. burlesontiger

    burlesontiger Founding Member

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    Technological advances are fine, but they don't have any bearing on a democratic society. Nazi Germany was technologically advanced, but politically and socially backward. I'm not comparing us to them, not by any means. It's just an example that a nation's technological capabilities are not necessarily tied to the health of society.
     
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    Originally Posted by martin
    we are in decline?
     
  5. Frogleg

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    People work "harder" today than in the past IMO, and we are certainly more productive and efficient. We earn our standard of living.
     
  6. USNavyTiger

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    how did you figure that out?
     
  7. tirk

    tirk im the lyrical jessie james

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    i'm at work so i figured I should just reply with nothing really to say.
     
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    I believe that people have less free time than in the past, generally speaking. Working "hard" could mean plowing a field, or it could mean sitting behind a computer with piles of stuff to do,
     
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    tirk im the lyrical jessie james

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    harder? no way.

    longer? yes because its a lot less physical labor compared to the past and lots more bs.

    probably more stress as well.
     
  10. Frogleg

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    Definitely more stress. After a day of physical labor the body releases endorphins, which relaxes oneself, puts us into a mildly euphoric state. Exposure to a lot of sun does it to, know that relaxed feeling after a day at the beach?

    Most of our average, modern days does not release much endorphins, which i think contributes to the high rates of HBP, heart disease, etc...in modern society

    Quote from Wikipedia:

    These opioid neuropeptides were first discovered in 1975 by John Hughes and Hans Kosterlitz in the brain of a pig. They called their endorphins "enkephalins" (from the Greek ?????????, "cerebrum"). Several other types of endorphins were discovered later. The word endorphin itself is abbreviated from "endogenous morphine", which means a morphine produced naturally in the body.
     

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