Looks Like Kerry Has Been Lying - I Mean "Misspeaking" - Again

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  1. marcmc99

    marcmc99 Founding Member

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    Anyone else remember this example he used during his accpetance speach at the DNC? Seems like it wasn't exactly true, but it made for a good story, so I guess it must be ok.

    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40053

    ELECTION 2004
    Another credibility gap for Kerry
    His story of New Hampshire couple's health-care story stretches truth

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    Posted: August 20, 2004
    1:00 a.m. Eastern



    © 2004 WorldNetDaily.com


    John Kerry's campaign has run commercials about failed Bush administration health-care policies using a New Hampshire couple as an example.

    In speeches across the country, including his nomination acceptance speech, Kerry has talked about how Mary Ann Knowles was forced to work every day during 16 weeks of chemotherapy just to maintain her health insurance.

    Yesterday, as Kerry visited the state and again invited John and Mary Ann Knowles to be a part of a campaign stop, reports surfaced in two newspapers that the story wasn't true.

    In interviews with the New Hampshire Sunday News this month, John Knowles said his family has good health insurance, and his wife's employer said the couple's story "wasn't really the best example" for Kerry's argument.

    Yesterday, the Manchester Union Leader published a front-page editorial condemning Kerry for the distortion.
    While John Knowles, a former technical writer in the high-tech industry, has been unemployed for two years, his wife is a communications specialist for Elderhostel, a nonprofit travel company. She was diagnosed with cancer last summer.

    However, Mary Ann Knowles was not forced to work every day during her chemotherapy. In fact, she was eligible for 26 weeks of disability leave, as well as sick days, of which she only took a handful.

    According to a report in the Union Leader, John Knowles said his wife could not afford to take disability because it would have meant a drop in the family's income.

    In an e-mail to campaign supporters last month, Kerry wrote that Mary Ann's story "represents the predicament so many Americans are living with: unreliable access to health care and skyrocketing costs."

    "We are reaching out to people who have expressed an interest in health care and who have already shared their stories," such as those who have written in to the candidate's website, campaign spokesman Eric Schultz said. "People who are interested in health care and have a personal and compelling story to share."

    Schultz added that Kerry "will continue to talk about families like the Knowles because his plan will help families like the Knowles. Under John Kerry's plan, the Knowleses would always have the peace of mind to know she would be guaranteed affordable group coverage, the same plan members of Congress have, at an affordable price and with the benefits she needs."
     
  2. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    So, was that a lie? Or was it just an error in an email to his supporters. Let's contrast that with untrue public statements made by the Commander in Chief to the nation. Are they lies that sent us to war . . . or just errors? Either way, I want a more prudent individual as president.

    "Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent.”
    George Bush, State of the Union Address – 1/28/2003

    Not True. Less than 6 pounds of nerve agent has been found that escaped UN destruction in the 1990's.


    “U.S. intelligence indicates that Saddam Hussein had upwards of 30,000 munitions capable of delivering chemical agents.”
    George Bush, State of the Union Address – 1/28/2003

    Not True. Six indivdual munition have been found, not all in working condition.


    “We have also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas."
    George Bush, State of the Union Address – 1/28/2003

    Not True. Not a single aerial vehicle capable of dispersing chemical or biological weapons, has been found anywhere in Iraq


    "Evidence from intelligence sources, secret communications and statements by people now in custody reveal that Saddam Hussein aids and protects terrorists, including members of Al Qaida."
    George Bush, State of the Union Address – 1/28/2003

    Not True. To date, not a shred of evidence connecting Saddam with Al Qaida has been revealed.


    "Our intelligence sources tell us that he (Saddam) has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes suitable for nuclear weapons production."
    George Bush, State of the Union Address – 1/28/2003

    Not True. The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) as well as dozens of leading scientists declared the tubes unsuitable for nuclear weapons production -- months before the war.


    "Satellite photographs reveal that Iraq is rebuilding facilities at [past nuclear] sites."
    Bush speech to the nation – 10/7/2002

    Not True. Inspections at these former Iraqi nuclear sites found zero evidence of prohibited nuclear activities there. IAEA report to UN Security Council – 1/27/2003


    "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa."
    George Bush, State of the Union Address – 1/28/2003

    Not True. The documents implied were known at the time by Bush to be forged and not credible.


    "We know he's been absolutely devoted to trying to acquire nuclear weapons, and we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons."
    VP Dick Cheney – “Meet the Press” 3/16/2003

    Not True. There is no evidence or plausible indication of the revival of a nuclear weapons program in Iraq. IAEA report to UN Security Council – 3/7/2003


    "We gave him a chance to allow the inspectors in, and he wouldn't let them in."
    Bush Press Conference 7/14/2003

    Not True. UN inspectors went into Iraq to search for possible weapons violations from December 2002 into March 2003
     
  3. marcmc99

    marcmc99 Founding Member

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    :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

    Keep digging your hole in the sand and burying your head a little deeper. At the rate you are going, you may find where Saddam buried all those WMD's yourself. Probably not, though, since the Syrians have them. :shock:
     
  4. marcmc99

    marcmc99 Founding Member

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    Hey Red, you've been listening to Crawfish and Smax too much. Why does everything have to turn into an argument over WMD's and Iraq? Your guy already said he would have gone in whether they were there or not.
     
  5. marcmc99

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    http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/speeches/spc_2004_0729.html

    Sounds like a lie to me. He didn't email it to me, I heard him say it on national television. :dis:

    "What does it mean when Mary Ann Knowles, a woman with breast cancer I met in New Hampshire, had to keep working day after day right through her chemotherapy, no matter how sick she felt, because she was terrified of losing her family's health insurance.

    America can do better. And help is on the way."


    John Kerry's Acceptance Speech to the DNC Convention
     
  6. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Hey, the topic was candidates caught lying, marc. You brought it up. Turnabout is fair play.

    My point (which you missed) is that while there are petty lies to be found which affect nothing, but there are also astonishingly blatant and outrageous lies that have affected the course of American history.

    And don't paint me with Smax or Crawfish colors, you've never heard me aping their sermons, I don't even read Smax-pastes. My opinions are my own and I back them up with my reasonings. So I have my head in the sand, eh? I think it's kind of Smax-like of you to cast insults just because you disagree with me.
     
  7. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    red many of your examples start with words like "Our intelligence officials estimate..."

    than you claim that is not true. i am not sure how you can say that isnt not true. how do you know what our intelligence officials are estimating?

    if they were wrong, then that is different. is bush to ignore his intelligence officals? assume they dont know what they are talking about? figure he knows better, even though they are the ones doing the research?
     
  8. ElvisFan

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    So, if Bush lies, then it's OK for Kerry to do so. Is that what you're saying?
     
  9. lsugrad00

    lsugrad00 Founding Member

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    No they're both a couple of lying a$$ holes.
     
  10. marcmc99

    marcmc99 Founding Member

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    It wasn't meant to be an insult, I was just pointing out you were using the same argument they always come back with. Actually, I was reinforcing the point I was getting at yesterday when I said the Democrats make life in America out to be so terrible with their talk about the sad state health care and poverty. Guess I should have spelled that out for you. You were the one who turned it toward Iraq. I guess what Kerry said is ok. I am presuming he took information he received from a source he believed to be credible and relayed it to the American people. That sounds familiar. What you still haven't answered is your thoughts on Kerry saying he would have gone to war with Iraq WMD's or not. There is a link to the story on here somewhere, if you'd like to refresh your memory.
     

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