Yes and No here you go...... Assault is a crime of violence against another person. In some jurisdictions, assault is used to refer to the actual violence, while in other jurisdictions (e.g. some in the United States, England and Wales), assault refers only to the threat of violence, while the actual violence is battery. Simple assaults do not involve deadly weapons; aggravated assaults often do. Assault is often defined to include not only violence, but any physical contact with another person without their consent. When assault is defined like this, exceptions are provided to cover such things as normal social behavior (for example, patting someone on the back). English law makes distinctions based on the degree of injury, between: common assault (which can be even the most minor assault) assault with actual bodily harm (ABH) assault with grievous bodily harm (GBH)
You miss the point. it's about perceptions. Like on ESPN game day. One time can hurt, or 100 times may not matter. Who knows. It's like the guy at the water cooler who tells his buddy a dirty joke he's told 5000 times at the same water cooler, but at that particular moment the boss' daughter walks up and his job exit's stage left. Now did he exercise his freedom of speech? I guess he did. How many times do I say Azzhole in a week? You could probably count them on one hand. Do I say a bad word occasionally? sure we all make mistakes. good day man
Well you haven't been around very long have you, Mr. 18-year-old who thinks he is an expert on LSU tradition after one game? Auburn fans might disagree with you. They have been spreading every vile story they hear about LSU and exaggerating it for years. Why? because in 2001 after their team disrespected the LSU home crowd with a couple of notorious incidents, a few jerks took it out on innocent Auburn fans after the game. Screamed insults, threw some drinks, set fire to a paper tiger tail on an Auburn van. It was a small minority of jerks but it made big news in Auburn and they have blown it all out of proportion ever since. And it has gotten a lot of press. Skip even wrote a memo to the fans two years ago asking that they treat visitors with more respect. It's just a few jerks on game day but they make all the rest of us look bad and they make LSU look bad. This chant is just more of the same. You make us all look bad so we had to stop a LSU tradition to stop you. I can't believe you are standing here trying to say that screaming vulgarities at an LSU game is somehow team spirit. Why don't you just go back to the frat house and do some binge drinking? Play Tiger Rag all you want and chant all you want. But you won't hear Tiger rag in Tiger Stadium again. And neither will the rest of us. All because of you. Aren't you proud of yourself. :dis:
true, by the same token someone could rise up and overthrow what freedoms we now have with a tolitarian Government. It works both ways. In that case would you support the Gov or the coup? No but I said that in my post, I said I used extreme examples. I do think it reflects badly on LSU though. I don't think it will amount to much though. Like Berge said it will probably all blow over. My point is the maturity of it and I am TRYING to teach you that the law is whatever society will tolerate. If society said the word " hello" was wrong and everyone voted on it, it would be the law, regardless of how stupid it would be. There's been some strange stupid laws on the books in the past for sure. ALso I was trying to point out to you that WORDS spoken can cause harm, consequences to follow. You are married right? You should realize this. They are in Memphis also, and they are limited as to what they can show. Thanks you made my point for me. I agree with you and I'd like to add, they tend to push for individual rights to the extreme. the opposite end of that is the rights of society. Somewhere in between is the balance. We give accused Murderers and Pedofiles a certain amount of rights, before and even after they are convicted, this is an example of individual rights. Sometimes we must incarcerate these individuals before their trial at the request of " the people" to protect society, mainly society's rights to live, work and go about day to day living without fear of these types of individuals. Now I know it doesn't always work that way but that is how it is supposed to work. If you look at the freedom of speech right as a right, it is also within some guidelines, to be determined by society. Too far to one side and you get Nazi book burning for example, too far the other way and people are allowed to slander, lie under oath, make threats, etc. etc.. Neither extreme is correct, although they both have occured in History. I understand what you are saying, but you do still have the power to vote, however small that effect may be, it's the cumulative vote that is indicative of what society will allow. You made the point yourself that if it doesn't stop and it gets to the point where you don't like it you are free to rise up. Did you not say that? Like I said, it will stop where the Majority says it should stop. Thankfully, with out system of government, that is usually somewhere just to the right ( or left ) of center. it swings from year to year, but in the end it tracks the trends of the general population's wishes. We've strayed far off subject here. Back on topic, I bet it dies out. I just think it's sad the band can't play the tune because the student body wants what only they want. Like I said in my first post, they lack maturity and respect. So they get none of the latter, and it may be a long time before they get the former. good day.
The thing is though it is that reaction that has gotten our civilaztion in the direction that we are going in. Hell nowadays you cant even tell a woman her hair looks nice without something coming from it. Did not mean you, I was meaning it in a generalzation (sp) I know there are alot of people that dont say any. My mom for one I dont think I have ever heard her use an profanity. And trust me I did somethings that would warrant it.
Education and Opinion are no indicators of maturity. Solomon asked God to give him "wisedom" not an education. there's a HUGE difference. You ever hear the saying, "send them to school buy them books and look what you get?" Not saying anything about you personally, just throwing it out there that book learning is a far cry from being a wise, mature, citizen. maybe that is why Minor's aren't allowed to vote, as far as I know there is no group out there pushing for this to change. While maturity may not come with age, it is generally not obtained in youth, mainly because maturity, wisedom if you will, is partly derived from life's experiences. 20 years from now you may look back on these posts if they are still avialable and realize what a fool you were in your youth. I say that with no disrespect, we've all done foolish things when were were/are young. maybe you don't have to trip over every obstacle, try to learn without falling in the mud, heed some advice. or go ahead and fall in the mud but don't drag LSU's name with you.
I understand your concern. I completely agree. Some times in an effort to do right, ( in this case protect women from harrasment in the work place ) WE as a society leave loopholes, gray areas that individuals can exploit and often do through the employ of unscrupulous lawyers. I would say the problem isn't the law, it's the litigation process. We just are allowing too much lee way in the courts.
Just out of curiousity.... I wonder what the students who see nothing wrong with this chant would do if Coach Miles asked that they stop, so that Tiger Rag could be resumed? Or if players asked that it be stopped?
Well it happened at the birth of this nation, but a tolitarian was not est., had the founding fathers failed, then they would have been considered a coup and all of them put to death. The only way I would support a coup (and I would hope others would too) is if our government was no longer a government of the people. Ok I understand that, but I did not vote on Tiger Rag, and I didnt not vote to place the powers that be in their positions, did you? This is along the lines of a PETA person becoming president of LSU and making the rule that Mike the Tiger will no longer be the schools mascot because that is cruel and offensive to animal lovers and the animals themselves. Would we get a vote on it? No I dont think we would. Now this is really extreme, to even bring this up in such a trivial topic is alittle unresposible. I understand the point, just a poor way of making it. No there are no guidelines to Freedom of Speech, that is the beauty of it. Its only in the actions of those 2 extremes that is cause for alarm, not simple in their words. But when the parties we are voting for have become shades of grey to the point you cant tell the 2 apart, thats when we begin to have problem. Way off topic and yeah it will die off until they start playing the song again. Just one question for ya since you seem to be the only one that is open to at least hearing what the other side is saying. DO you really think this would be an issue had we not won the National Championship in 03 and having the success we have had of late?
