NCAA proposal would slow HUNH offenses..

Discussion in 'The Tiger's Den' started by fanatic, Feb 13, 2014.

  1. fanatic

    fanatic Buckle your seatbelts...

    Anyone see this? The NCAA is considering a proposal to prevent hurry up no huddle offenses from snapping the ball until there's at least 29 seconds left on the 40 second play clock. And championing this crusade, surprise surprise, is none other than the coach of the Alabama Crimson Tide (along with Bret Bielema). Supposedly, this is being done under the guise of player safety, which is the biggest crock of shit ever. Everyone knows he's on the record as saying he believes it's bad for the game and is one element that his defenses are vulnerable to.

    I guess the theory is that defenses are susceptible to injury if they're not allowed to substitute before the offense snaps the ball, but I don't see it. If there is something to this, wouldn't offenses be just as susceptible since they aren't subbing?

    At any rate, this is one rule change I hope is not implemented.
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  2. furduknfish

    furduknfish Goldmember

    If this was Thunder Dome, wouldnt that make them Master Blaster. Somebody get LSU Freak on this.
  3. TerryP

    TerryP Founding Member

    There have been a number of situations, in discussions here, where I've said, "wait a minute, there's nothing to back that up." Here's another one with this "safety issue."

    Without having empirical evidence showing more injuries are related to the HUNH offense it deserves questioning. I suspect, the reason safety is mentioned in this proposal has to do with how rules are implemented. With this being the odd year for rule changes the only way it can be passed is citing a safety issue. I don't like the pretense. (They are proposing the penalty on targeting be changed—do we have to wait until 2015 for the 15 yard penalty to be reversed when the call is reversed?)

    However, there is something that needs to be addressed when it comes to the HUNH.

    Last October, while I was editing an article on interview with Brent Venables, I noticed a comment about these offense that I'd suspected but really hadn't considered closely. He was discussing how to defend the HU style of play and referenced how many players the defense had to account for and how some of them were in positions that were illegal.

    Just last month, during the AFCA meetings, Chad Morris made the comment that "the officials aren't calling ineligible receivers down-field, so we're going to continue sending guys up-field."

    Why are these calls, along with illegal formation and procedure calls, being missed so often?

    I suspect it's due to the pace of play. When you have officials running to keep up with the offense by the time the snap is made they are often out of position. How else would they be missing two guys in motion? Or, how are they missing a lineman five yards past the line of scrimmage?

    An offense moving fast to catch a defense out of position is part of the game of football. It shouldn't be legislated out of the game.

    When the same offense is moving at a pace that leaves the officials unable to do their job properly? Now we've got an issue that bears addressing. I don't think we'll see the NCAA, or a rules committee, state "our officials are missing calls because the game is too fast for them." Yet, I do think that's often the case.
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  4. kcal

    kcal Veteran Member

    finally a rational explanation as to how the refs miss those holding calls against the gumps ;)
  5. dudley

    dudley Veteran Member

    Officials "missing" calls is an officiating issue and not a speed of the game issue.

    Getting back to player safety, I'll bet more players are injured against teams that play physical offenses like Alabama and Arkansas than are against up tempo offenses. No data to back that up, but Saban and Bielema don't have any data to back their claim either.
  6. tigerpub

    tigerpub Veteran Member

    I hate to say it........but, I hate the HUNH offense. Having said that, I am not for outlawing it. I do consider it a gimmick or loophole. I just hate the hurry up when it is all game long. I would like to just see it limited maybe to the last two minutes of each quarter or half. Otherwise, to me, it's almost like cheating.
  7. mancha

    mancha Alabama morghulis

    " Arkansas coach Bret Bielema and Alabama coach Nick Saban voiced their concerns about the effects of up-tempo, no-huddle offenses on player safety to the NCAA committee that passed a proposal to slow down those attacks."

    I am for the HUNH just because Saban is against it. He wants to rule out what he can't defend. Little bitch.
  8. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

    If an offense lines up quickly and runs a play, there should be no rule against that as long as the officials are in position. That's just a 2-minute offense. The defense should be able to get in position by the time that the officials do.

    But when an offense lines up quickly, then stands up and looks to the sidelines like a bunch of meerkats, preventing the defense from substituting while they get their signals, that's where I see the problem. That is simply an attempt to keep the defense from substituting, not necessarily an attempt to run plays as quickly as possible. If the offense has to get the play from the sidelines, then it should be fair to allow the defense to substitute.
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  9. TerryP

    TerryP Founding Member

  10. plotalot

    plotalot Veteran Member

    This explains how they are missing procedure and motion penalties.
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