Netanyahu and Iran politics

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  1. uscvball

    uscvball Founding Member

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    I'm getting tired of the White House occupant and the millionaires who inhabit the Congressional building.
     
  2. Bengal B

    Bengal B Founding Member

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    Anti Semite!
     
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  3. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    No, I know what he means. Our support for Israel is at the heart of all our troubles in the middle east. We have gained nothing and our costs in lives, treasure, and prestige have been huge. Israeli intransigence is just as bad as Palestinian intransigence, perhaps worse. The world is tired of their squabble and neither side seems able to reach any compromise at all. It's their way or no way. There is nothing the US can do if the principals refuse to work on it at all. At this point I'm all for just letting them fight it out until one side capitulates.
     
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  4. Tiger Exile

    Tiger Exile Long time lurker

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    Well, Israel could pave a lot of the Middle East if it came down to it and then we would really have an oil issue.
     
  5. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    Yup, me too. Like you said they are just as stubborn if not more.
     
  6. uscvball

    uscvball Founding Member

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    The US has supported the State of Israel since Roosevelt. Gained nothing? That is not true and you know it. Outside of the Dimona Radar Facility, US intelligence personnel move freely within Israel and get complete support and cover. Israeli's aren't waging war against other countries or attacking anyone if they aren't being attacked. The anti-Jewish sentiment in the Middle East would boil over into total chaos and extinction of Israel were it not for the US.

    The world is tired of their squabble? I am far more tired of anti-Semitic behavior and hatred.
     
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  7. mctiger

    mctiger RIP, and thanks for the music Staff Member

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    You talking about the Middle East or Capitol Hill?
     
  8. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    I do not. When has Israel supported the United States? Did they fight with us in Vietnam or Kuwait or . . .anywhere. Egypt, Jordan, and Syria actually have. Do we have American military forces based in Israel? No. We do in Jordan, Kuwait, Egypt, Oman, Bahrain, Iraq and Turkey. Israel has actually intentionally attacked and sunk a US navy ship. What exactly have we gotten from Israel to compensate for the trouble of endless guerrilla war with Islamic fanatics and those three bankrupting, unwinnable Middle East Wars?

    The anti-Jewish sentiment in the middle east has been largely replaced by anti-American sentiment. Clever of Israel, eh?

    Yes, it is. Nobody but us gives a rat's ass anymore and we're losing interest. Israel can obviously take care of themselves. The Soviet Union is no longer arming Israel's enemies against them. Israel can handle their local enemies. We need to crank back aid to Israel sharply and spend it on our own forces.
     
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  9. uscvball

    uscvball Founding Member

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    They share intelligence, give us an ally in the region, provide/share military expertise, allow our spec ops to operate within their country.
    "Over the last few years, military ties between these two nations have increased. In March 2012, President Obama affirmed that the United States will “always have Israel’s back” (CBS). America and Israel reportedly worked together to create the “Stuxnet” computer virus that damaged a number of Iranian nuclear reactors in 2010. They also unified “to develop sophisticated military technology, such as the David’s Sling counter-rocket and Arrow missile defense systems…” (ibid.).

    In 2011, Israel—which only holds 3 percent of the Middle Eastern population—was the recipient of 25 percent of all U.S. exports to this region. The Washington Institute for Near East Policy estimates that since 1949, the United States has provided Israel with $115 billion of economic, diplomatic and military support. Israel also exports vital military technologies to America."

    "Well known is the weaponry that has come from Israel such as the Uzi, the Ofek Satellite, the Arrow Missile and the Iron Dome. Israel is in fact the eighth largest arms exporter in the world behind such powerhouses such as the US, Russia, China, Britain, France, Italy, and Germany. [2] Uzi Eilam’s autobiography describes the Israeli military technology achievements highlighting how these accomplishments came forth with bare resources forcing Israel to make use of creative innovation as well as years of behind the scenes diplomacy."

    Bullshit. Only 2 middle eastern countries even recognize Israel as a state. Tel Aviv may be on the back burner but the hatred of Jews is very much alive and well. Did you forget about the 3 Jews who were kidnapped and murdered in the West Bank just last year?

    From John Adams to John Q Adams to Roosevelt and Truman, to Kennedy to Clinton, to Obama and every President in between, the US has supported Israel. If for no other reasons than in a crap ass part of the world, they are peaceful people who participate in the global economy and share some common values with Americans. You have said before that you support Saudi Arabia as an American ally....but you would deny Israel? That leaves me speechless.
     
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  10. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    Who the hell uses the Uzi other than gangbangers? Thanks Israel for providing the drive by weapon of choice.
     

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