Netanyahu and Iran politics

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  1. HalloweenRun

    HalloweenRun Founding Member

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    That is a pretty impressive post Red. We are allies until the nano second our two interests diverge. I would opine that the Israelis are the most effective spies we face.
     
  2. uscvball

    uscvball Founding Member

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    Well......
    "In a dizzying outcome to a divisive and angry Israeli election campaign, preliminary official results early Wednesday pointed to a sweeping victory for the party of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, paving the way for him to form a new government.

    Through a long night of vote-counting that began with exit polls suggesting a dead heat, Netanyahu's conservative Likud Party opened a lead over his main rival, the left-center Zionist Union, that widened by dawn to five or six seats in the 120-member Knesset, or parliament. With more than 99% of the vote counted, the tally was 29 or 30 seats for Likud to 24 for the Zionist Union, according to tallies posted on Israeli news sites"
     
  3. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    "In the final days of campaigning, Netanyahu abandoned a commitment to negotiate a Palestinian state - the basis of more than two decades of Middle East peacemaking - and promised to go on building settlements on occupied land."

    He's on his own now. No western power will support Israeli annexation of Palestine. Worse for Israel, he has guaranteed that an Arab majority is in Israelis future . . . and endless war.
     
  4. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    Their system of voting is more fucked up than ours.
     
  5. uscvball

    uscvball Founding Member

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    Sure if you consider that American government dollars via the One Voice PAC may very well have been used to bus Arab Israelis to the polls in order to defeat Netanyahu. Logan Act anyone?

    For now, a Senate subcommittee is investigating the January $350,000 State Department grant. Portman (R) and McCaskill (D) are in charge of the probe. Kerry was asked about it back in January but no reply.
     
  6. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Make your case. FOXnews allegations don't even rise to this.

    OneVoice states that it is cooperating and is confident that the investigation will show that they have spent no government grants to oust Yahu. The funding was only $350K and it ended last November.
     
  7. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    90% of Yahu's campaign $ comes from USA. You were saying its not ok to bus people to vote but is ok to almost completely bankroll a foreign politician's campaign?

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat..._group_funds_huge_share_of_israeli_prime.html

     
  8. uscvball

    uscvball Founding Member

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    It is not okay for government funds, via a grant, to fund or influence a foreign campaign. America has lots of wealthy Jews who are free to give their own money to support a candidate in Israel, just like wealthy Americans living abroad can donate to American candidates.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/30/foreign-money-elections_n_1718545.html
     
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  9. uscvball

    uscvball Founding Member

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    For starters, I said "may have" and clearly there is a subcommittee with a bi-partisan signed probe that will be looking in to the situation. My initial case is being made by this subcommittee.
    "There is likewise a difference between Netanyahu hiring a Republican strategist and President Obama “lending” his campaign guru Jeremy Bird to Netanyahu’s political rivals ....While President Obama says he does not want to be accused of interference in Israel’s elections, Jeremy Bird is advising V15, a grassroots movement whose purpose is to unseat Benjamin Netanyahu. One also wonders why Israel’s Labor Party, while sharing V15’s agenda, denies any connection to it. V15 is backed by “OneVoice,” a political NGO that has received funding from the US State Department.

    The State Department gives money to many NGOs around the world, including to OneVoice. But OneVoice backs a political organization (V15) that is directly involved in Israel’s 2015 elections. V15 and OneVoice share the same office in Tel-Aviv. "

    http://www.breakingisraelnews.com/2...ons-may-backfire-opinion/#Drb5hXb7hGT0hosH.99

    Arab voters were organized and bused to polls because they supported the other side. They have an absolute right to vote....and yet they showed up in record numbers in a way that requires the type of funding and organization not usually seen by and for voters who live in Palestinian areas. I just want to know if those grant dollars were in any way used to create the situation.

    I await and will support the outcome of the subcommittee whatever it is.
     
  10. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Flip-flop-flip.

    After shocking the US and International governments before the Israeli elections by repudiating 30 years of Israeli/Palestinian peace agreements and the Camp David accords, Yahu has already tried to back off from his pre-election statement that no Palestinian State would ever exist while he was in office. But nobody believes him.

    No one can believe anything the guys says. He has already alienated the leaders of Germany and France and now the United States with his lies, exaggerations, and general untrustworthiness. None of his predictions about Iran over the last 20 years has come true. He has made US support of Israel into a partisan issue for the first time ever and deeply divided his own people and American and European Jews.

    Netanyahu backtracks on rejecting two states, but damage is already done

    Binyamin Netanyahu’s contradictory statements a few days apart on whether or not he supports a two-state solution are so at odds that they are at first hard to reconcile. On Monday, the eve of Israeli elections, he unequivocally disavowed his support – first given in a speech in 2009 – for a Palestinian state.

    Netanyahu’s new problem is that – hoist with his own petard – he has now been obliged to spin both the comments he made on the even of the elections and his wider tactics during the campaign, including his pointed breach of protocol in making a speech to Congress that US president Barack Obama did not want him to make.

    By Thursday Netanyahu was singing a different tune. “I haven’t changed my policy. What has changed is the reality.”

    Faced with stark warnings from senior US officials that Washington was “rethinking” its approach to the Middle East peace process following Netanyahu’s disavowal of the two-state solution, and the threat of tougher EU sanctions, his flip-flop represents an attempt to stave off a different and more serious challenge.
     

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