Obama Obama's Abuse of Power Checked

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  1. gyver

    gyver Rely on yourself not on others.

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    It's because the republicans keep running rinos and the majority of Americans are apparently to ignorant to make their own decisions. They would rather let a bunch of politicians dictate what they can do, say, eat, drink, and purchase. Then the liberal media bombards them with propaganda until they believe it.
    Even you voted for the least experienced candidate in the history of the US and you'll vote for Hillary when she runs.
     
  2. uscvball

    uscvball Founding Member

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    Did I say he was the worst abuser? I will take a look when I have more time. The word worst is obviously subjective and not quantifiable. Here's what I can say about what he has done and what people think.

    "Sixty seven percent of viewers who watched President Barack Obama’s State of the Union address oppose the president’s announced plan to pursue his political agenda through more executive orders.

    In his annual speech before a bitterly divided Congress Tuesday night, President Obama called for a “year of action” and vowed he would act on his own when necessary.

    “In general, would you rather see Barack Obama attempt to reach a bipartisan compromise with Congress on major issues, or would you rather see Obama take unilateral action without Congress to make changes in government policy that are not supported by Republicans?” the president asked.

    According to a snap CNN/ORC International poll, just 30 percent of viewers said they wanted Obama to take unilateral action, and 67 percent said they opposed his executive agenda."
     
  3. uscvball

    uscvball Founding Member

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    Best lobby the President to actually enforce the laws we do have. But yes, I agree, Congress should and could do more to address the situation at hand.

    I did not advocate doing nothing. But in the absence of "doing nothing", it seems that spending billions is truly stupid and a waste of time based on actual results to date.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/07/obama-immigrant-children_n_5565318.html
    http://article.wn.com/view/2014/07/08/AP_sources_Obama_backs_off_border_policy_changes_x/

    $2B more in US money and support services is what you think I wanted? No...no...no. This money will address a very small number of immigrants that we actually still have custody of. It will not address those who got here illegally or the ones already released. The President just wants the money with no policy changes, which I understand the reasoning for, but it will do nothing but prolong the inevitable.

    "Decoupling the spending request from the contentious policy changes, which faced pushback from members of Obama's own party, may give the emergency money a better chance of getting through Congress.

    The approach comes after the White House told Congress last week that it would seek "additional authority" for the Homeland Security secretary to quickly return the minors back home. Immigration advocates understood this to mean that the children, who currently have the right to a hearing before an immigration judge, would lose that right and instead would have to make it through an initial screening with a Border Patrol agent.

    The immigrant advocacy community responded angrily, with more than 200 groups signing onto a letter last week calling on Obama to reconsider the changes.

    "It would take away their right to council, right to proper screening. ... It would undermine completely due process," Leslie Holman, president of the American Immigration Lawyers Association, said in an interview Monday.

    The White House says the plan is to speed up the processing of Central American border crossers without taking away their due process.

    "The president believes it's important for those due process rights to be respected; at the same time we should have a process that is efficient and that reflects the state of U.S. law," White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest said Monday.

    Now the White House will spend more time developing the proposals, along with plans to increase penalties on smugglers.

    The developments underscore the delicate position the administration finds itself in as it risks alienating allies by pursuing changes to turn the migrant kids around more quickly. More than 50,000 have arrived since October, in many cases fleeing violence at home but also drawn by rumors that they can stay in the U.S."

    From that same article...
    "Unaccompanied Central American children generally are being released to relatives already in the United States. Mothers with their children often are released with a notice to appear later in immigration court.

    Meanwhile, word of seemingly successful border crossings reaches their home countries, encouraging others to try."

    You can't avoid the facts. Thousands of illegals are here and continue to arrive, plenty of whom are NOT in custody or are being released and yes, the White House admits that they are being enticed to come here.
     
  4. uscvball

    uscvball Founding Member

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    So they should pander to the Hispanic community and allow illegal immigrants to keep breaking our laws, use our money, and abuse our services? Effing sad that this is a point of view to be pursued.

    Until these illegals move into your neighborhood and start abusing your tax dollar and your services, you may never understand the frustration.
     
  5. gyver

    gyver Rely on yourself not on others.

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    Illegal aliens=democrat votes. That's all they care about.
    They won't be happy until every city in the country looks like Detroit and Memphis.
     
  6. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    They do, most just don't agree with you.

    Well that's just not true, is it?
     
  7. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    What a loaded question! It suggests that a bi-partisan compromise is possible with the Republicans when they have demonstrated over 6 years that they will not compromise.

    Also funny how you changed 67% from opposed to "see Obama take unilateral action without Congress to make changes in government policy that are not supported by Republicans" in the loaded poll question to 67% "oppose his executive agenda". That question was not asked. You made that up.
     
  8. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    How do you know that results would not be worse without it? You can't.

    It will address all of them and they are all illegal. None have been released, only paroled to relatives.

    How? DACA does not apply to any of these children.

    "The White House said that President Barack Obama would not rescind the temporary amnesty program he enacted in 2012 because it does not entice more illegal immigrants to come to America", White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest said.

    The Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act, which was signed into law and reauthorized several times during Bush's administration set the guidelines on how to best handle unaccompanied immigrant children. That is the law that Obama must follow unless Congress changes it.
     
  9. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    Is this about Obama or Reagan?
     
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  10. gyver

    gyver Rely on yourself not on others.

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    Obama is the one that hasn't worked with congress. He thinks, like the rest of you Libs, that congress is supposed to do as he says.
     

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