The screwed up, buggy forum software won't let mods vote anymore or my vote would tip the scales. There is no difference. Not legally, not ethically, and not in fact. It has never worked that way, of course. Self-indulgent youngsters without experience are historically and notoriously naive and foolish. Why should they go out of business to please you and the other freeloading pirates? You are dreaming and ignoring the new models that are working like a charm, like Nook and Kindle. The iTunes store has made Apple bigger than Exxon while bringing down prices, eliminating wholesalers and retailers, and being so easy and convenient that it makes stealing a pain in the ass. And all without giving away artists work to freeloaders who contribute nothing to society. Arrgh! You feel like Jack Sparrow, don't you? Well the world's laws and decent people will continue to be against you. Furthermore, when you have acquired a few more decades of real world experience, maybe get of of New York and open your eyes, perhaps even take a job, you will stop playing pirate and become wise. Wise martin will, in time, be arguing the sage wisdom of Red to the naive Ayn Rand-worshipping whippersnappers.
Copying to make backups of purchased media is fair use. Copying purchased media to other devices you own, like your iPod or iPad is fair use. It is duplication and distribution of copyrighted media to other parties that remains and has always been illegal.
Agree. But this is where the idea is that it has become socially acceptable to do so. I buy an mp3 album and burn it to a cd for my car. My friend likes it so I burn him a copy. He gives another copy to his girlfriend. A law was broken but we don't care because we have done that sort of thing with cassette tapes since we were 10. We do not mass copy the cd and sell it at a flea market because that is a clear transgression. This line may be arbitrary, whatever I consider ok and not ok, but that IS the way it is with most people. Shut down the mass distribution sites because that is a clear transgression but there will still be people passing music along to other people.
red doesnt seem to understand that we are not trying to discuss what is illegal. we are discussing what is right and wrong and why. there is nothing morally wrong with your copying cds from your friends, even if they copy it for thier friends and eventually you are the source of 50 copies that the artist was never paid for.
They are both clear transgressions and here is why . . . in the days of analog tape, each duplication of a duplication produced yet another second or third or x generation recording, each with worse sound quality. Your tape copy was never going to get distributed very far because tape hiss and other noise would soon render it horrible. It had a built-in deterrent to mass copying. But digital recordings are each essentially master recordings and each duplication renders another master recording. These pirated copies can be endlessly and perfectly copied outside of any control by you. This is why the recording industry cannot look a blind eye to single-copies like they could with cassette tapes. The line may be fine, but it ain't invisible. Most people stay on the right side of it. The ones who don't are thieves, no matter how much they wish to justify it. Indeed, there will always be thieves. The issue here is whether the music industry should just capitulate and rescind all copyright laws so that the pirates can steal openly and without guilt. Ain't . . . gonna . . . happen.
Glad that you have finally conceded this point. You might as well concede this one, too. I have already dissected it in the other thread. You have no moral or ethical justification for stealing. Stealing has always been considered wrong in every society throughout the human era. You are completely and totally wrong. It is both unethical and illegal as I have proved numerous times to you. No one can stop you from stealing, but you cannot justify it in any fashion. We can only hold you in contempt.
if you think i "finally" conceded this, then you should work on your reading skills, hoss. all along i said i dont care about the illegality, even pointing out way too many times that i understand marijuana is illegal, yet i dont think you are morally wrong for smoking it. i have tried desperately to differentiate between legal and moral. i hope you have fun with that contempt. i will certainly enjoy my stolen items.
People need to be careful now, because these small little movie companies have realized they can make more money suing people than they can from movie profits. I read where some poor lady is getting sued for downloading a porno by the movie company for about 10 times more than they actually made off the flic.
http://torrentfreak.com/5000-artists-line-up-for-a-pirate-bay-promotion-120405/ Here is the other side the media, who are probably funded by record companies in advertising dollars, don't want you to read.
