red do you realize that not everything a Pope does or says is infallible? Popes can be wrong on many points, even theological ones. Infallibility simply prevents a Pope from teaching error as truth.
I guess. See, you are missing the point. Religions require certain rituals to be practiced in order to gain favor. Conversely, they also ban certain items as unclean. [/FONT] The Old Testament wasn't denounced. The Law existed to point people to Christ. Jesus is better!
as an onlooker, I suggest stating your position instead of continually quoting scriptures, etc which only confuses the situation. no filibustering please. I have cspan.
Well I had to look up "phylacteries" and "Gehenna", but I see where you are coming from. Still I counted about three "rules" in there.
my doctor said i had something like gohnahenna once and it was infecting my phylacteries. luckily, a lil penicillin knocked it right out.
In my defense, he did ask for it. The whole of Matt 23 pretty much sums up what Christ thought of religion. Sabbath ovens? Give me a break. The law was given to men by God, but the law was administered wrongly by men. It became in vogue to teach the law out of a sense of obligation rather than in obedience to God. The chapter is not a statement of rules but a condemnation of those in authority (the teachers of the law) at the time.
The verses quoted by Deek don't show Christ's feelings on religion in general, but rather on religious hypocricy. He is saying not to do things for men to see, but to do things that bring you closer to God. He is not saying that rules and regulations are bad in and of themelves.
Satan was God's "second in command." He was the most beautiful of all angels. He was second in powers. Wasn't good enough for him. The Bible says he is the "prince of darkness" even in today's time. All things good come from God but Satan has much power still. If Katrina caused anyone to question God, Satan is smiling. The Bible says they all men who call on the name of the Lord will be know by His name.....Christians. Let's face it. When a large group of people read a book of the Bible, you often get several different viewpoints. God often reveals different things to different people. That is how denominations begin. The Bible says to study to show thyself approved. Yet there is no way anyone can really get deeply into so many of today's denominations. It would simply be too time consuming. But one should study and carefully choose which one best fits into one's personal beliefs. For example......I am not Catholic. Before anyone gets started---do I believe there will be Catholics in Heaven? Without a doubt. I don't believe any denomination is absolutely perfect. We will not be Catholic, Pentacostal, or Baptist, just Christian brothers and sisters. Correct me if you will, but my studies show this about the Catholic faith: 300 AD-----the church introduced prayers for the dead 300 AD-----making the sign of the cross started 375 AD-----worship of saints and angels began 394 AD-----mass first instituted 431 AD-----worship of Mary began 500 AD-----priests began dressing differently from other people 526 AD-----Extreme unction began. Annointing of people who are about to die. 593 AD-----doctrine of purgatory introduced 600 AD-----worship services began to be conducted in Latin 600 AD-----prayers began being directed to Mary 607 AD-----Boniface III became the first pope 709 AD-----people began kissing the pope's feet 786 AD-----worship of images and relics began 850 AD-----use of "Holy Water" began 995 AD-----canonization of dead saints 998 AD-----fasting on Fridays and Lent began 1079 AD----celibacy of the priesthood started 1090 AD----the use of prayer beads began 1190 AD----sale of indulgencies 1215 AD----transubstantiation 1220 AD----adoration of the wafer (host) 1229 AD----Bible forbidden for lay people 14?? AD----cup forbidden to people at communion 1439 AD----doctrine of purgatory decreed 1439 AD----doctrine of seven sacriments affirmed 1508 AD----the Ave Maria approved 15?? AD----jesuit order founded 1546 AD----apocryphal books put in Bible 1854 AD----Immaculate conception of Mary 1864 AD----syllabus of errors proclaimed 1870 AD----infallibility of pope declared 1930 AD----public schools condemned 1950 AD----assumption of the virgin Mary 1965 AD----Mary proclaimed mother of the church I understand the Catholics have these extra books in the Bible. I don't know. Are they right? I don't know. I just have to make up my mind, not change yours. I have Pentacostal friends who believe that you cannot enter the kindom of Heaven if you never experience the gift of talking in tongues (unknown) It is Biblical but the Bible says it is a lesser gift. My Baptist friends sometimes fall into the self destructive belief that "if I go out Sat. night, get drunk, and commit adultry, all I have to do is ask God for forgiveness the next day. Kind of true. We can be forgiven for anything except blasphmy of the Holy Spirit. However, we also believe God to be Omni-knowledgeable. So, He knows if you really are asking for forgiveness or just trying to cover all your bases. When you say you are sorry and ask for forgiveness, that means you really do not plan to do that again. If you ask for forgiveness and go right back next weekend, you were not really sorry and God knows it. IMHO I think everyone has to decide what they will or will not believe. The Bible says that many will not accept. And many who call themselves by His name will not enter the kingdom of Heaven. Every man will answer for himself. I know I have enough trouble with myself. I certainly don't need to try to put down on others who may have different views. I know some will ask "what if Budda or Alluh" turns out to be the true God? Well, I will have made my choice anyways won't I.
Just to cut him off at the pass, Supa argues that all of those institutions were in place before they were made official by the Church through bulls and councils and whatever else. I've already brought some of these up in the past.
That's why I stated that they use a Bible different from the King James, which is the version I accept. From what I have studied, the common man was forbidden to own a Bible. When they were finally allowed to own one, there were extra verses than from what was remembered. Add ons? Sorry. Did not know you had previously posted this.
