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Discussion in 'The RoundTable' started by martin, Jan 12, 2013.

  1. martin

    martin Banned Forever

    Huge government subsidies of American farmers take billions from hardworking folks in order to support the least healthy foods, and the farmers clamor for more and more and cry about their profits like a bunch of whiny bitches. Then we make waaaay too much food, which we dump on other countries, destroying their economies and self sufficiency and health. It crushes millions.

    Farmers in America don't even run real businesses, they get government money. If you are a steelworker, you get jackshit, if you are a farmer, everyone sucks your cock.

    Wy is a farmer praised but a hooker isn't? Why is a farmer adored but a options trader isn't? People do shit for money why are some worshiped and others are not. It is retarded and it ends up destroying the poorest people on earth.

    Also u are bad at anatomy and don't know what a lap is
  2. mobius481

    mobius481 Registered Member

    This is something I'm not very educated about. I guess the theory is that you need to subsidize farming and essentially pay farmers to burn crops so that if there is ever a drought or other disaster that prevents food from being farmed, there won't be a famine or anything and we would still have enough food. I have no idea if this is good policy or not however, I get the feeling Martin feels it isn't.
  3. martin

    martin Banned Forever

    It's terrible policy and people die because of it. Skinny niggers and fat honkeys both.

    Our excess is dumped and it ruins African governments and farmers. And we pay to fatten up our idiots wi corn based everything. So our healthy food isn't subsidized but McDonald's is basically 100 percent subsidized, for corn syrup drinks to wheat buns.
  4. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

    Random Fact: the Mediterranean Sea one day will totally disappear and in its place will be the Mediterranean Mountains, which geologists have already named as such.
  5. red55

    red55 curmudgeon

    It's a bad policy because it has gotten bloated, political, and complicated. They came about because farming can be a boom or bust business and one bad weather season could and did force farmers out of business. So they came up with a system that would help farmers bridge bad years by pooling supplies and such. But it soon grew into a boondoggle with home-town pork added every year and special exceptions for special areas, etc.

    What was intended to help family farms ended up making agribusiness ventures into billion dollar corporations. With very few exceptions farm subsidies need to go away. A case can be made that certain strategic agricultural products (like sugar) must be subsidized in order that we not lose a sugar supply in wartime. Otherwise US sugar could not compete with equatorial south American sugar. But subsidizing wheat, corn, and cheese is just stupid. We overproduce megatons of the stuff each year.
  6. mobius481

    mobius481 Registered Member

    This is obvious and can be said about any government program. What I don't know is that if farm subsidies went away, would we have costs that outweighed the subsidies due to bad crop years. I assume that is not the case and this is wasteful but I haven't done an analysis or seen one that puts numbers to it.

    I agree, this seems to be the case. The only way the subsidies are good is if they cost, for example, a billion per year and every 20 years, we have a drought that ends up costing us 25 billion that we would not otherwise have had. Like I said, my impression is that this isn't the case but I haven't researched it at all.
  7. mobius481

    mobius481 Registered Member

    By the way, how much of this program continuing do you think has to do with Iowa being an early caucus and how much has to do with the government generally not liking to take away subsidies.
  8. red55

    red55 curmudgeon

    All politics are local. There is hardly a congressman in Washington that does not have an agricultural constituent of some kind.

    I know from experience that some Parish Farm Bureau officials wink and smile at a lot of small farmers who are getting subsidies not to grow crops. Some of them don't even have the equipment and expertise to grow crops like their father and grandfathers, they just inherited a farm and work in town, but they keep filling in that paperwork stating that will not grow wheat this year, when they never had an intention of growing wheat. And the check keeps on coming in. Some have even let their fields revert back to forest and haven't been caught because the Parish Farm Bureau has no real incentive to catch anyone. The fewer people in the program, the more they cut back on Farm Bureau personnel. Many parish offices have been combined with other parishes.

    This is the problem with many otherwise good federal programs . . . a lack of check and balances to make sure that there aren't freeloaders in the system. And the bureaucrats are rewarded for maintaining the status quo instead of for aggressively making the program effective.
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  9. wjray

    wjray .-.. ..- -.- .

    Wait, wait, wait. Hold on a minute there hoss. You're telling me that Ray Kinsella wasn't going to lose his farm when he plowed under half his corn crop to build that sweet baseball field? Motherfu . . .
  10. martin

    martin Banned Forever

    who cares, let the farmers insure themselves or go out of business. we can buy food elsewhere. protectionism hurts everyone.

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