Republicans Republicans chances of winning Senate majority continue to brighten

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  1. uscvball

    uscvball Founding Member

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    Perhaps. The fact remains that government folks lie, even those who occupy the White House.

    Okay.

    So with unanswered questions, it is possible that the version we are being fed is not accurate.

    O'Neill says he was the point man. And BTW, leap frogging does occur in a tight stairway, perhaps especially in a tight stairway. The entire point is to always give no more than ONE target at a time. Once that alleged head peered out from the doorway, it should have been hit. And there is no talking despite the conversational nature that Bissonnette claims occurred.

    Bissonnette and O'Neill offer very different versions. There could be other whispered versions.....some to discredit or perhaps some to verify. There will be true versions that we never hear and that's because an entire team of operatives was killed on a Chinook in Afghanistan. Their families don't trust the story they were told.

    Pick apart all you want. Every now and then someone offers up information that they are unwilling to offer a source. It happens in the football forum, the recruiting forum, even Good Eats where folks can't share Momma's secret recipe. So obviously you can accept it or not. I'm okay with that.
     
  2. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    When have they lied about a matter this important, with this many eyewitnesses, and under the scrutiny that this issue has had? The fact remains that not one alleged government lie has been proven by anybody.

    It is far more possible that the official statements from on-the-record sources are accurate than unsubstantiated claims from anonymous internet characters.

    They agree that bin Ladin was killed in that raid. Or do you still maintain that he was dead already and that the raid was a fabrication?

    Rest assured.
     
  3. uscvball

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    I won't argue "importance" but Clinton lied to the entire country, on TV, knowing that Lewinsky knew the truth. Nixon? Uh, hello.

    Why? Do you know them any better than you know anyone on the internet?

    I find it highly likely that bin laden was already dead. I believe a raid occurred and that somebody was killed....just not the goat phucking porno watching money laundering old man that was bin laden.
     
  4. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    I understand your skepticism, just not why you think this makes everything the government says untrustworthy. I understand why Clinton and Nixon lied. They had a motive. And look what happened to them when the lie was discovered. I cannot for the life of me understand why a President (Bush or Obama) would kill bin Ladin and NOT report his death instantly. Even less why he would years later stage a dangerous fake raid that soured relations with Pakistan to kill a phony bin Ladin. It just doesn't make any sense.

    Of course I do! I know exactly who they are and what they do, how they get their information, and who from. I know their responsibilities, reputation, and credibility. I acknowledge and respect an on-the-record statement from a principal in the matter. Is it possible that you disbelieve anybody who you haven't met personally? Or rotely believe everything from anyone who you have? You must be able to perceive the vast difference in credibility between a real person staking his reputation publicly from somebody anonymously hiding under a phony name.

    So, that guy just happened to be living in a house with bin Ladin's wives and children, his documents, his porno, and happened to be 6-6 with bin Ladins DNA and an uncanny resemblance to Osama bin Ladin?

    I don't suppose it would do us any good to ask WHY you think it was highly likely, in the face of everything that has been publicly disclosed?
     
  5. Bengal B

    Bengal B Founding Member

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    You can go round and round with this but the thing is the fact they dumped the body so quickly is highly suspicious. Even @red55 knows this and if he wasn't so quick to defend anything Obama does or says he would probably admit it too.
     
  6. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Never try to put words in my mouth, because you suck at it.

    I know nothing of the kind. What they did made perfect sense. Tell me, what do you think they should have done? They already had collected all the evidence they needed. They didn't have to convince anybody else. They didn't want a grave to exist for jihadists to make into a shrine. He wasn't embalmed and surely wasn't turning into a nosegay. Muslims bury within 24 hours of death and that was fine with us, no need to offend 1.6 billion other muslims. So he was dumped overboar .... uh, he was buried at sea and we know exactly where and nobody else does.
     
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    Bengal B Founding Member

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    You would be singing a different tune if it had been handled the same way if Bush had still been in office
     
  8. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Tell us your own logic, if you have any.

    Don't try to tell me what I think. How stupid is that?
     
  9. Bengal B

    Bengal B Founding Member

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    The logic is that if they didn't have anything to hide they wouldn't have dumped the body. They would have let independent doctors who didn't work for the government examine it and take DNA samples to proove to the world that it was really bin Laden. I'm not talking about parading it down Fifth Avenue for people to spit and throw rocks at it. But that would have been a good idea if they had captured him alive.
     
  10. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    What exactly do you imagine that they are "hiding"?

    Killing bin Ladin was OUR mission. WE wanted him dead. AMERICA. We did not have to prove anything to "the world". Anyone in the world that doesn't want to take our word for it can believe in the tooth fairy if they wish. Has Osama made any new videos? No. Has Al Qaeda acknowledged that he is dead? Yes. Are we worried about him appearing alive and managing a 7-11 in Michigan? No.
     

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