Saban & Bama threads consolidated

Saban has yet to win a single game at gump U, so it's a little premature to talk about anything rising other than coaches pay.

Bama may not be dead but look around gump, Bama hasn't been king in many many years and isn't likely to be any time soon. Bama fans should set their sights on court jester and see where they go from there.

 

No one is "king" in the SEC and I doubt there will ever be again. Florida with Spurrier was the closest thing to "king" as you can get (post scholly limits) but I'm afraid even those days are long gone. Things change quickly in today's football and things rarely go as they "should" or "suppose to". Just look at how the SEC played out this season.

At this stage in the 2007 season all talk is "premature" because no one's played a down yet.

 

A bama fan that lives outside of the houndstooth dream world, a rare find indeed.

 

and we all know why that was the case, and appropriate sanctions were administered. But the fact remains that Auburn and Alabama have usually split the in-state propsects since the 85-scholarship limits have been in place.

The day that Nick Saban outrecruits Tuberville's staff in in own backyard will be the first day.

 

I am not familiar with all of the facts of the other case names that you mention, nor am I interested in a discussion involving comparison and contrast.

I am familiar with the facts arising out of Saban's bolt for Bama, and, my opinion is quite settled: he Quit, and, he Quit because he is a Quitter.

Saban is very savvy. He has never been fired from a job, because he knows when to bolt for greener pastures.

In the past, he moved when he sensed that he had "peaked out" at a particular program. The move was prompted by his personal aversion to dealing with maintaining a program at the peak level that he had achieved. That is to say, after helping a program to peak, he abandons the program rather than risking being personally involved in a decline of that program.

With the NFL franchise, Saban realized that he was not going to peak out that program next year or year after next. He realized that the program would continue to slump for the future as far as he could foresee it.

Saban has a personal aversion to being involved in a situation that imposes adversity upon his position as HC and his reputation as HC.


Saban's personal psychological "make-up" will not permit him to stand and face that kind of "enemy fire", if you will (pardon my military metaphors, as I am a military man). Saban will not stand and face a situation in which his own personal skin (or prestige/reputation) is at risk. His propensity is to run away from the situation in order to find a safer environment.

This is a Quitter. The only other word for it is "Coward", but, that word doesn't fit in this context. However, I would use that word if we were discussing Saban in the context his involvement in a military organization.

I cannot and will not discuss situations involving other coaches, because I do not use the word "Quitter" lightly.

 

I know you won't believe this but MANY (and I mean MANY) bama fans aren't stuck in a time warp of the 60's and 70's nor are their expectations. Yes, you still find bama fans like that but you also find "unrealistic" fans in every fanbase.

Personally, my expectation for Bama is that we can still recruit good enough talent (that if properly developed) to compete for a SEC Title. Those that do not keep up with Bama on a regular basis do not realize that on campus right now is some very good talent. I won't bore you with crap you're not interested in but A LOT of outsiders do not and will never realize how bad of a HEAD COACH Mike Shula was with respect to strength and conditioning, self examination, evaluation of assistant coaches and game day coaching. Our team was coached down more often than coached up.

Enough of that. Bama (nor anyone else) will not dominate or "rule" the SEC. Too much talent spread across the conference. But I do believe that Bama will get back to the status of making serious runs at the SEC Title on a routine basis.

 

When coaches take another job at a school or organization, how many of them are still under some type of contract with the school they are leaving? Do most of them leave exactly when their currrent contract with their current school expires? I haven't kept up with it in the past but Bobby Petrino, Rice's former coach and Tulsa's former coach all bolted (or "quit") before their contractual obligation was fulfilled....

 

I think Nick will usually have a small lead in in-state recruiting. The interesting part will be if he can steal some of those Georgia kids that would normally go to Auburn.

 

I don't doubt that will be the case in the next two or three years, but the question, to me, is will Bama fans be happy with "Competing for" or even just maybe, winning one? Most of the talk I've heard from Bama fans is about National Titles- and admittingly, I haven't heard from a fraction of them but the consensus appears to be that mind-set.

 

First bolded text- Yes, we nor any other school in the SEC has no choice. The talent is distributed in such a way that a school in the SEC isn't gonna reel off a dominating streak. This is a new day and age in college football and the majority of Bama fans know this...


Second bolded text- If I were to base my opinion of the LSU fanbase from the ones I usually run into and have run into it wouldn't be a pretty desciption. But I know better because I've been around LSU fans that know their stuff, don't act an idiot and don't constantly trash other programs. The ones "making the most noise" are usually the minority of a fanbase. The majority doesn't have to jump up and down, scream and shout obscenities about other programs at games or on message boards etc. So you don't "hear from them" quite as easily as you do the idiots...