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LSUfreshman21 Founding Member

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red55 said:

It should be pointed out that Shaq finished his LSU degree after leaving early for the NBA by taking just such courses.
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It should be pointed out that Shaq is 7''2 350+ and everyone listens to superman whether they agree with him or not.

LSUfreshman21, Jul 14, 2006

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"Professor Petee’s directed-reading classes, which nonathletes took as well, helped athletes in several sports improve their grade-point averages and preserve their athletic eligibility. A number of athletes took more than one class with Professor Petee over their careers: one athlete took seven such courses, three athletes took six, five took five and eight took four, according to records compiled by Professor Gundlach. He also found that more than a quarter of the students in Professor Petee’s directed-reading courses were athletes."
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Well done, sir!

CParso, Jul 14, 2006

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This part made me just laugh out loud.

The Auburn football team’s performance in the N.C.A.A.’s new rankings of student athletes’ academic progress surprised many educators on and off campus. The team had the highest ranking of any Division I-A public university among college football’s six major conferences. Over all among Division I-A football programs, Auburn trailed only Stanford, Navy and Boston College and finished just ahead of Duke.

TXTigahFan, Jul 16, 2006

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dook should start cheating they can move ahead of auburn

TigerBait3, Jul 16, 2006

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Terry, I can't believe you of all people would make this claim with no facts to support it. It would sure appear that the Tuscaloosa News is in the thick of it. Otherwise why would would the slimeball Paul Finebaum have a guy forom the Tuscaloosa News on his radio show talking about it......several days before the NYT article hit the press. And did I mention that the Tuscaloosa News is owned by the NYT? Or that the bama homer Warren St. John is in the midst of it as a NYT employee. This is the same guy who just published "Rammer Jammer" about the gool ole days at bama with bear bryant. You bammies beter be more worrying about the canary Chris Keys who is singing to the NCAA as we speak. You LSU folks will remember Mr. Keys who originally committed to LSU, was declared inelgible to play high school ball and ended up at bama. Stay tuned. The bammers are so afraid of "The Thumb" they will do anything to get attention focused on anything negative at Auburn. Folks, this is little more than a squabble between two profs, one who was passed over for the Dept. Head and the other (the squealer) who didn't get the job.There are no NCAA violations here and it will soon be a non-story because what is happening here is going on at every major football school. If I'm wrong I will eat crow right here on Tiger Forum.

Proud Tiger, Jul 16, 2006

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Proud Tiger said:

Folks, this is little more than a squabble between two profs, one who was passed over for the Dept. Head and the other (the squealer) who didn't get the job.
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That's probably true, but it may end up shining a light in places better left dark.

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There are no NCAA violations here and it will soon be a non-story because what is happening here is going on at every major football school.
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I'm not so sure. What happens everywhere is that there are crip courses at any university and athletes, failing frat boys, and professional students tend to find them. No big deal. But if it is found that athletes didn't have to actually do the work to get the credits, it will be a problem. It doesn't matter if other students took the course, too. They aren't recieving NCAA sanctioned athletic scholarships. The athletes will have to survive an academic audit.

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If I'm wrong I will eat crow right here on Tiger Forum.
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Let's wait and see what Auburns internal investigation reveals and how long it drags on. If it's a minor infraction, Auburns self-imposed penalties may placate the NCAA. If it is no infraction at all, but takes a year to settle . . . it may still scare some Auburn recruits who fear upcoming sanctions.

red55, Jul 16, 2006

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Disclaimer: I am not making Bama a saint when it comes to NCAA rules...

However, why are the barners on all the forums trying to say Bama is the one trying to pull the barn down. This is rediculous.

As far as Finebaum goes: Why do yall listen to him...You do know he could give less of a **** what he says. Yall think he is dumb, but he is really smart. He just gets a rise out of all his listeners and could care less about what he says. He is simply an entertainer, and really doesnt mean what he says. - like most journalists. (Sorry if I offended your common sense).

TigerBait3, Jul 16, 2006

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cadillacattack Illegitimi non carborundum est

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That's probably true, but it may end up shining a light in places better left dark.
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Without knowing for certain, I suspect you're correct, redd55. This is the last thing that Auburn needed. They've made a significant effort to rebuild the Auburn image since the SACS squabble in 2003. I do not believe there anywhere near the level of evidence to warrant an NCAA intervention. This is quite capable of being manged by the Provost's office.

My personal "theory" about the whole issue can be found here:
http://mb19.scout.com/fauburnfrm2.showMessage?topicID=125849.topic

Auburn University allowed itself to become an easy target for these types of organizations. (Drake) The Administration should take a page from the Auburn playbook ..... it's okay to go on the offensive once in a while.

cadillacattack, Jul 16, 2006

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Croyle and others took these same lame courses...even admitted that Lienart had it tougher with ballroom dancing:

Peprah earns 2nd degree

10:11 PM CST on Saturday, December 31, 2005

By JEFF MILLER / The Dallas Morning News

Plano East's Charlie Peprah is one of 14 Alabama players who already have earned bachelor's degrees.

Peprah graduated last December but waited until May to go through the ceremony to make it easier for family members to attend and to avoid conflicting with last year's bowl preparations. And, only a few weeks ago, he earned his master's degree in financial planning.

JB Closner from San Antonio Clark is one of seven Tide players who graduated in May. Southeastern Conference rules require players to pass six hours to be eligible to play in a bowl, and Closner said he found an independent study class worth six hours' credit.

"Like a diamond in the rough," he said of the class, smiling. "Had to write a five-page paper. I was done with that by September."

Quarterback Brodie Croyle, another graduate, took the same course. "I kind of slacked up a little bit," he said, looking at the ground. "I got done in December."

Said Peprah: "I actually had some pretty tough classes. Not P.E. or music, the art of cartwheels or whatever classes they were taking."

When Croyle was asked who had it tougher, himself or USC quarterback Matt Leinart (who took only ballroom dancing last semester), he said, "Probably him." ( LOL)
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http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcon...owl/stories/010106dnspobamasider.2d1ca13.html

vatz22AU, Jul 16, 2006

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Terry, I can't believe you of all people would make this claim with no facts to support it. It would sure appear that the Tuscaloosa News is in the thick of it. Otherwise why would would the slimeball Paul Finebaum have a guy forom the Tuscaloosa News on his radio show talking about it......several days before the NYT article hit the press. And did I mention that the Tuscaloosa News is owned by the NYT? Or that the bama homer Warren St. John is in the midst of it as a NYT employee. This is the same guy who just published "Rammer Jammer" about the gool ole days at bama with bear bryant. You bammies beter be more worrying about the canary Chris Keys who is singing to the NCAA as we speak. You LSU folks will remember Mr. Keys who originally committed to LSU, was declared inelgible to play high school ball and ended up at bama. Stay tuned. The bammers are so afraid of "The Thumb" they will do anything to get attention focused on anything negative at Auburn. Folks, this is little more than a squabble between two profs, one who was passed over for the Dept. Head and the other (the squealer) who didn't get the job.There are no NCAA violations here and it will soon be a non-story because what is happening here is going on at every major football school. If I'm wrong I will eat crow right here on Tiger Forum.
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OK, here we go.

Chris Keys was questioned, months ago. Don't try to deflect this. He wasn't declared ineligible...but, dropped out of his high school...let's leave this one alone, shall we.

The AJC is the next newspaper coming out with a story about all of this. It wasn't Alabama that turned you guys in...the two schools in the SEC were Vandy and Georgia...not to mention the other 5 from the ACC and Big East.

FWIW, I've known about this hitting the news for a couple of months now...but, it wasn't because it was some story coming from the T-town news.

I hope this doesn't amount to much...I wouldn't fear the NCAA if I were you either...SACS, is a different story.

TerryP, Jul 17, 2006

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