The greatest president and the worst

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  1. Rwilliams

    Rwilliams Veteran Member

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    Shocker: Bush beats Obama 48/43 in poll « Hot Air

    But that personal favorability doesn’t translate into re-election support when voters are asked if Obama deserves a*second term. Says Schoen: “Despite voters feelings toward Obama personally, 56 percent say he does not deserve to be re-elected, while 38 percent say he does deserve to be re-elected president.” Worse, Schoen adds, “43 percent say that Barack Obama has been a better president than George W. Bush, while 48 percent say Bush was a better president than Obama has been.”


    Bush may have been a bumbazz but he was a honest patriot.
    Obama is neither honest nor a patriot
     
  2. PURPLE TIGER

    PURPLE TIGER HOPE is not a strategy!

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    It's difficult to rate all of them as most were dead before we were born. I'm just curious to know if there used to be better candidates than there are now.

    We've had some of the worst presidents in history over the past 30 years but maybe some of that is due to poor candidates. Carter was elected due to the mess that occured before him. He obviously wasn't qualified but people wanted...ready for this..."change".

    Gore and Kerry could've easily become the worst president but thankfully neither were elected. Obama is horrible but the alternative was McCain so not much to offer there either.

    We continue to be divided by party...and even more now with the current administration. The small percentage in the middle is actually deciding the winner and they haven't been left with a quality candidate since Reagan.

    It appears the Democrats will not attempt to replace Obama in 2012 so the voters are already down to one "possible" quality candidate and that's not looking real good either.

    The bad news is Carter and Obama could be replaced as the worst ever in the near future.
     
  3. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Dumbass, yes. Sincere, yes. Honest, no.

    When did he lie? What has he done that is unpatriotic? Be specific.
     
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    Rwilliams Veteran Member

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    During his 12 years in politics, Sen. Barack Obama has received nearly three times more campaign cash from indicted businessman, Tony Rezko and his associates, than he has publicly acknowledged, the Chicago Sun-Times has found.Seven months ago, Obama told the Sun-Times his “best estimate” was that Rezko raised “between $50,000 and $60,000″ during Obama’s political career.However, Obama has collected at least $168,308 from Rezko and his circle. Additionally, Obama also has taken in an unknown amount of money from people who attended fund-raising events hosted by Rezko since the mid-1990s. Everything you ever wanted to know about Obama and Rezko.
     
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    Rwilliams Veteran Member

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    “Instead of celebrating your dynamic union and seeking to partner with you to meet common challenges, there have been times where America has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive.”

    apologizing to the world for America. A patriot?
     
  6. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    The ST asked him in an interview, where he had no records to call upon, and he gave them what he described as "an estimate". Duhhhh!

    Not by a long shot. Do you ever check on these charges before you level them?

     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Ahem. Let me point out that there is no apology anywhere in that truthful statement. Geez, amigo, get a grip!

    An apology for America goes something like this . . .

     
  8. PURPLE TIGER

    PURPLE TIGER HOPE is not a strategy!

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    Speaking of bad candidates...Geraldine Ferraro died.
     
  9. MLUTiger

    MLUTiger Secular Humanist

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    Best: Teddy, FDR, Truman
    I know a lot of you will be quick to say Reagan. He had a good first term, but his second term set the country back economically and ruined any hopes of success by George HW Bush. He (or at least his administration) also planted the seeds for our current troubles in the Middle East. Of course everyone likes to talk about he how spent the Soviets into the ground while still calling him a fiscal conservative.

    Teddy Roosevelt was the best mix. Passing regulations for consumer protections while helping businesses fight unions. He was the biggest friend of the middle class of any President probably. Protecting the country's natural resources is something often glossed over when dishing out credit to Presidents.

    FDR brought the US out of isolation, spent the country out of a depression despite everyone's objections and put the country back to work. A guy gets elected four times in a row for a reason. I don't any President had a tougher time in office with back-to-back major crisis.

    Truman was the last honest President. His biggest knock was supposed to be foreign policy, FDRs' strength. I don't think ant President had a bigger international impact during his term. Of course he set the course for the America's fascination with nation-building, but he also had a pretty big hand in policies that kept the important parts of Europe out of Soviet hands, made sure the Germans were unable to gear up for WWIII and dropped a couple bombs on Japan to end the war and save countless lives.

    Worst: Hoover, Carter, Bush
    Hoover's idiot policies turned the Stock Market Crash into the world's worst depression. His biggest blunder has to raising taxes during a damn depression and his biggest claim to fame has to be the numerous "Hoovervilles" (tent cities) that popped up across the country as people were found homeless and wandering the country for work.

    Carter has such little backbone internationally that he gave up the Panama Canal, allowed the Iranian hostage crisis to take place and feebly waved as the Soviet's marched into Afghanistan. Then he bailed out Chrysler, deregulated the airlines and stopped pay increases to the military. He was such a pushover that Ted Kennedy decided to run against him.

    GW Bush was a ****-up of epic proportions. Big Oil wrote his energy policy cheating Americans out of billions in gouged oil costs, led the country into a war with false intelligence while misleading the public as to the intent of entering Iraq, alienated the country from the world and wasted immeasurable amounts of sympathy after 9/11, pushed through Medicare Drug Benefits that was written by Big Pharma while dividing the electorate with inconsequential issues like Same-sex marriage, Partial Birth Abortions to avoid revealing the gaping hole between his ears by debating and offering solutions to real issues.

    How's that?
     
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    Best: Ronald Reagan
    Shortly after his election he was faced with a strike by Air Traffic Controllers in spite of federal regualation that prohibited federal employees from striking. He gave the controllers 48 hours to return to work or be fired. Despite concerns from some of his own cabinet members of a potential political backlash, when over 11,000 controllers refused to return to work, they were fired.
    Reagan's supply side economic principles involved stimulating the economy through across-the-board tax cuts, controlling the monetary supply and deregulation of he economy. With this in mind he engineered the first significant tax reform significantly lowering federal income taxes. How successful was this? When Reagan took office inflation was at 12.5 % and unemployment was at 7.1% When he left inflation was at 4.4% and unemployment was at 5.5%. Because his tax reductions gave consumers more money in their pockets to spend, federal tax receipts increased from $307 billion to $549 billions from 1980-1989. Once more the real GDP rate grew annually during his 8 years in office at the rate of 3.85%. The one sore spot in the economic picture during the Reagan years was the growth of the national debt. In orde to cover an increased budgetary deficit, the country borrowed heavily thereby increasing the national debt from $997 billion to $2.85 trillion. Reagan described the debt as the greatest disappointment of his presidency.
    Perhaps his greatest achievement was in the area of foreign policy. Under the policy that came to be known as the Reagan Doctrine, Reagan took the nation away from the principle of Detente as he souight to create "peace through strength" and initiated a stronger stand against Communism. This involved a massive military buildup by increasing military spending by 40%. In 1983 Reagan introduced his Strategic Defense Initiative that would have used ground and space-based systems to protect the U.S. from nuclear attack. Controversial and criticiszed as unworkable, SDI along with the military buildup convinced the Russians that they could not compete with the United States. The result was, despite all the criticism of Reagan as a "warmonger," a signed treaty with the Soviet Union that for the first time achieved a significant reduction in nuclear weapons. His policies would eventually play a significant role in the ending of the Cold War and the dissolution of the Soviet Union.

    Worst: Carter
    The only word that can adequately describe Carter is inept.
     
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