Great discussion of this on one of the better blogs out there (SciGuy at the Houston Chronicle.) Plenty of info, though may not be popular for those that like to ignore scientists.

http://blogs.chron.com/sciguy/archives/2006/06/more_gore_do_sc.html

this a list of the a few scientists that gore is ignoring.

Dr. Tim Ball at the University of Winnipeg, Dr. Robert Balling at Arizona State University, Dr. Sallie Baliunas at Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, Dr. Bob Carter at James Cook University in Australia, Dr. Randall Cerveny at Arizona State University, Dr. John Christy at the University of Alabama, Dr. Robert Davis at the University of Virginia, Dr. Christopher Essex at the University of Western Ontario, Dr. Oliver Frauenfeld at the University of Colorado, Dr. Wibjörn Karlèn at Stockholm University, Dr. Christopher Landsea at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) Dr. David Legates at the University of Delaware, Dr. Henry Linden at IIT, Dr. Richard Lindzen at MIT, Dr. Ross McKitrick at the University of Guelph, Dr. Patrick Michaels at the University of Virginia, Dr. Dick Morgan at the University of Exeter, Dr. Tim Peterson at Carleton University, Dr. Roger Pielke Jr. at the University of Colorado, Dr. Eric Posmentier at Dartmouth College, Dr. Willie Soon at Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, Dr. Roy Spencer at the University of Alabama, and Dr. Boris Winterhalter at the University of Helsinki

harvard, mit, NOAA, sounds like real scientists to me.

no matter where you stand, you are ignoring scientists.

In regards to reliably measure carbon dioxide gases, it's true, we have only really accurately measured them on an annual basis for the last half century. But the curve has gone steadily up since then.

Moreover, we can fairly accurately measure carbon dioxide over many thousands of years, the current levels are higher than the level has been for many thousands of years, and in our history, the highest carbon dioxide levels coincide with the highest temperatures
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These are the things I'm most curious about.
We have been measuring carbon dioxide gas for only a half century yet
we have all the answers and know that It is higher than at any time in history.
"Fairly accurately"?

Currently levels are higher than they've been in thousands of years?
Meaning?
The levels were at this level at one time which would mean that all of this
is non sense.

I think some scientists choose to ignore facts also:
Mars Ice caps are melting, boy look what we're doing to the universe.
People are evil!
And the planet has been warming for many years before man's industrial revolution, example: Alaska, Glaciers, etc.
There was once an Ice Age on earth and that was before the scientists in the 70's said we were at a time of global cooling.
Which is it?
One things for sure from this source:
Leave it up to politicians to curb gases, it aint going to happen.
They are all pretty worthless and pick and choose around tough issues.

I hate it when politicians or actors take up causes become experts and mis-represent the truth, thats ignoring
some of the facts also.

Does he disagree with them on the entire topic, or just the purported causal link between hurricanes and global warming? I understand there is no scientific consensus on that link.

Sure it does. Every other alternative viewpoint he sees that disagrees with his religion, he calls them a Republican hack. That's the very definition of myopic.

I've never tried to convince anyone. I could give 2 rat turds less whether or not you agree dude. The point is, history will prove who's right. But by that time, you wackos will have moved onto some other catastrophe event.

:lol: Ha! And you're trying to say that you don't do the very same thing with accusations of 'socialist', 'communist', 'liberal', 'whacko', or your new favorite term, 'moonbat?!' No one is fooled.:lol:

It's fine with me if man is causing it. But when wackos, and that's what they are, scream for us to sign Kyoto and the like, it has the tendency to fall into the category of "The Population Bomb" rhetoric. That's part of the crying wolf syndrome. No one's listening any longer and it will be proven by history that it's the same thing.

I won't lose a wink of sleep over it if man is causing it. Just prove it.

since i posted this, grok has become my favorite word and i am grokking things left and right. you name it, i grok it.

Something tells me that martin would probably find it an excellent read.

I did when I read it. :thumb: