This day in history...

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  1. kluke

    kluke Founding Member

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    Interesting about the 7th Day Adventists. Its interesting to me how over and over in history someone proclaims something huge will happen on such and such day and so many people just buy into it. No matter how unlikely the prediction. It must be something in the human condition
     
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    mctiger RIP, and thanks for the music Staff Member

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    Faith. I find it manifests itself in ways that are never conclusive. Like a series of tweets I read yesterday from a woman who's son drowned and was declared brain dead. Doctors said there was absolutely nothing they could do and recommended pulling the plug. Parents refused, relied on their faith and about a year later the son walked out of the hospital. She calls it a miracle and in many ways it was. But divine intervention? How much is attributable to what the docs/nurses did while he was in the hospital? I don't question her faith, but the concrete evidence in this case is really just a call to more faith.
     
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    I must say, I really appreciate your perspectives on many things and enjoy interacting with you.

    The essence of faith is that its something you believe but can not prove. That leaves a lot of gaps for people to fill in with assumptions. And the assumptions are inevitably things that they want. Frequently with the declaration "its God's will". I want to kill my enemies evolves into they are infidels and its God's will that I kill infidels. This is comforting for another reason, now God has become their personal God - and their enemies have to find their own.
    Also, we don't like not knowing how or why something happened. So mysteries can be solved by inserting God into the equation. Like your hospital example.
    HOWEVER, faith swings both ways. Just like they can't prove it was divine intervention; I can't prove it wasn't.
     
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    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    Except in this instance the quran does in fact say that is the will of allah that infidels be killed. This is why I despise muslims, all of them!
     
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    kluke Founding Member

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    Yes the Quoran does say that. But did Allah say that or did men of faith say that Allah said that? It's a faith thing like MCTigers hospital divine intervention story above. Its written and passed down and declared holy; but they can't prove it's the word of Allah, and I can't prove it isn't.
     
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    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    I totally get your point! The problem is none of these crazy ass Muslims do! They don't get it! If you for one second think that they do I can assure you that they will slice your head off sooner than later. Fuck these muslim assholes!

    I get the feeling this hits a nerve with you, well sorry but not sorry. I am for 100% eradication of the entire religion, they are ALL terrorist even if they don't know it yet
     
  7. kluke

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    No, it didn't hit a nerve, Probably because not matter what anyone on this board posts I don't think they really would push the button to kill 3 million American men, women, and children given the chance. Not even if you knew they were worse than Muslims - meaning Democrats.

    I remember growing up in the 60s being 'taught' there was no worse person in the world than a 'red-commie-Vietnamese'. That's actually how we said it, like it was one word. 40 years later many of the best people I know are Vietnamese. By best I mean having high levels of integrity, dedication, personal responsibility, and work ethic. They also all total buy in to American capitalism. The Vietnamese people today are not that different than the Vietnamese people of the 60s. What's changed mostly is I actually know the people I used to hate and fear from afar

    If I condemn a large group of people based on the actions of a few members of the group I'm doing the same thing CNN/MSNBC does to Trump supporters. I certainly don't want to emulate them.
     
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    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    Totally get that and you are exactly right about the Vietnamese people. The difference in my opinion is they don't follow a religion that is mired ~6th century. The Muslims will and would kill as many infidels as they can, its a blood lust for them. I will never like them until the leaders of that bunch of savages start to condemn the terror, something they just won't do. Instead they throw their hands up and say "Inshallah"
     
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    On October 25, 1944, the USS Tang, the U.S. Navy's most successful attack submarine of WWII, sinks after being struck by its own torpedo in the Taiwan Strait. The crew of the Tang had been engaged with escorts of a Japanese cargo convoy for much of the previous 24 hours, launching 24 torpedoes and scoring two confirmed kills on transports, while an escort destroyer sank by collateral damage. But the sub's final torpedo broached the surface and swung around on a circular course, striking the Tang amidship. Seventy-eight of her crew were lost, and 9 survived, including her commander, Richard O'Kane, who was awarded the Medal of Honor. The sinking marked the only time in WWII that the Momsen lung (photo below), a primitive underwater breathing apparatus deployed on most U.S. subs of the time as emergency escape gear, was successfully used. In just 9 months of operation, the Tang sank 33 Japanese vessels. Her final, fatal cruise is commemorated in an interactive display at the National World War II Museum in New Orleans.
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    On October 26, 1944, the battered Imperial Japanese Navy breaks off operations in Leyte Gulf, ending the largest naval battle of WWII. The 4-day engagement, supporting the U.S. campaign to liberate the Philippines, is also possibly the largest naval battle in history in terms of personnel, with more than 200,000 American, Japanese and Australian sailors involved. Leyte Gulf is essentially four battles in one, perhaps the most famous of which is Surigao Strait, the last battleship-to-battleship engagement in history. Admiral Jesse Elmendorf's Seventh Fleet (below), built around 6 battleships (including 5 Pearl Harbor survivors), successfully "crossed the T" on the Japanese force, sinking two battleships and a heavy cruiser. Japanese losses throughout the campaign were 28 ships, including a fleet carrier and 3 battleships. American losses were 6 ships, a light carrier being the largest. The battle left the IJN essentially toothless as an offensive fighting force.
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    On October 26, 1984 at Loma Linda University (CA) Medical Center, Dr. Leonard Bailey transplants a baboon heart into the chest of a 14-day old infant girl, known publicly only as "Baby Fae." She was born with much of the left side of her heart missing, a defect that is virtually always fatal. In three previous animal-to-human heart transplants, no recipient had survived more than three days. Bailey felt Fae's underdeveloped immune system was less likely to reject the new heart. He was partially correct, but the inevitable organ rejection soon began, and Baby Fae died 20 days after the procedure.
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