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This is a poorly coached team. No other way around it.

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islstl Playoff committee is a group of great football men Staff Member

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StaceyO said:

When Saban leaves one of these days, many of you being critical now will be upset that he's gone.

That being said, I completely disagreed with some of Jimbo's play calling in the first half. When Vincent fumbled on 2 and 4, why on earth were we running up the middle AGAIN. That had "passing down" written all over it. That's just one example of play calling that's more about being conservative and less about playing to win.

The QB's didn't lose the game for us. But Russell should probably get the starting nod. I also felt that we should've seen Flynn because he's going to need some experience, too, and in the end, who knows if he won't be able to bring qualities to the plate that Mauck did?
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Agree totally about Flynn....I just wish Saban would let go of Randall....just let it go Nick.....it's gonna be ok.....really

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islstl said:

One of the mistakes early on besides the obvious QB situation was place kicking duties. Gaudet should have been kicking XPs. Don't know when and where he went into the doghouse, after performing quite well last year.
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It happened when he missed the first XP against Auburn......which ended up probably costing us the game....

urtoosmall, Oct 2, 2004

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uscpuke said:

I can see both view points.

1st - NS and crew have taken us to the promised land...so it is rather obvious they know how to coach and that NO ONE is asking for them to be replaced. Keep that in mind.

2nd - If it is absolutely no fault of the coaching staff as some of you are so vehement about, then how do you explain the piss poor tackling, a ridiculous number of crucial turnovers, our "All-American" O-line not able to block anyone and our "All-American" CB's getting torched. These things, especially the poor tackling, blocking and turnovers are BASIC FUNDAMENTALS, and they are usually taught by the coaching staff. No one is saying our talent is not there, so how can you not at least question the coaching thus far?

For you homers who are strictly going to flame...please reread my 1st point. I would love a serious response to the 2nd points.
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Its the lack of Motivation for the team. Like I said in an eariler post watch the players that are not around the play. They are giving up before the play is over. Now i know that the coach can't go out and play for his team, but it doesn't appear that this team has the drive in them to win and/or that they believe in themselve. those last points I do place on the coaches. I think this team has lost faith in the coaches to make the best choices for the TEAM. That is what I see on the field, there are problems and it goes WAY beyond TALENT!

Crip*TEAM KATT, Oct 2, 2004

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StaceyO said:

When Saban leaves one of these days, many of you being critical now will be upset that he's gone.

That being said, I completely disagreed with some of Jimbo's play calling in the first half. When Vincent fumbled on 2 and 4, why on earth were we running up the middle AGAIN. That had "passing down" written all over it. That's just one example of play calling that's more about being conservative and less about playing to win.

The QB's didn't lose the game for us. But Russell should probably get the starting nod. I also felt that we should've seen Flynn because he's going to need some experience, too, and in the end, who knows if he won't be able to bring qualities to the plate that Mauck did?
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RIGHT ON THE MONEY.

I wondered why Jimbo called a "draw" play on 2nd and ten when we were having some sucess throwing short passes. We had just completed one for 10 yards and UGA was stacking the line. They knew when we'd run and when we'd pass. The young QB's don't have a chance becuase our offense is easy to read. Not enough passing offense agaisnt a team that might have given up more.

JSracing, Oct 2, 2004

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FightinTIGER said:

Go back and re-read my first post. I never placed this loss squarely on Randall. I don't even blame Randall. The Randall situation only gets compounded by the other negative aspects.
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Here is what you posted:

Every coach and team we’ve played knows the ONE thing that Saban doesn’t seem to get. RANDALL IS A HORRIBLE QUARTERBACK.

You cannot beat good football teams with a quarterback that can’t throw the ball. You cannot run the football when the other team knows you can’t throw the ball.

Many of us have known for 2 years that Randall doesn’t have what it takes to compete in big time football games. Saban foolishly thought that his defense would be good enough to skate by with a very bad quarterback at the helm.
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I might have taken that out of context.

LSUfan, Oct 2, 2004

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I love Nick and hope he stays in Baton Rouge forever.

Having said that, I don't think we are playing up to our potential and I think a certain amount of the blame for our poor performance has to be laid at the coaches feet. True they don't block and tackle, but they are responsible for preparing the kids to block and tackle.

We just seem to be getting out executed, out played, and out hustled. I don't expect that from a Nick Saban coached team. The only game that we've hit on all cylinders was Miss. St. and I'm not sure that one counts.

One thing to remember. We are a very young team. Next year might just be the year for another great season.

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Another reason why LSU was so dominate last year was because of their defense. I'm dissapointed with the way the defensive backs are playing right now as I'm sure you all feel the same way. You cannot win games with just offense.

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A bit of history, reality and fantasy...

This Georgia loss hurts much more than the Auburn one point loss. Today is an embarrassment! Except for those few minutes at the end of the first half and the beginning of the second, it really wasn't a game. Today, the better team played their best game and we took it on the chin!

Now, how about a dose of history...???

I've been an LSU fan --- win or lose --- since the Charlie Mac days. Back then, every year, the critics would come up with the same old, "...with the talent we have, we should never lose a game." When the critics finally got their way, we saw just how good a coach Charlie Mac was.

Except for a some very brief periods, LSU under Saban has reached highs which quite frankly, I never expected to see so consistently. What's more, the outlook is very bright. As fans, we all imagine what could have been. Before today's game, my ideal scenario was that both Auburn and LSU would win out in a big way the balance of the season and LSU would revenge the one point loss in this year's national championship game. Nice fantasy, it didn't make it through today's game.

Time to move on. Next week is our biggest game, not just because it's our next game, but because we still have a chance to develop into a top ten or top fifteen team. Look at Auburn tonight. Both Auburn and Georgia are now legitimate contenders for #1.

The lesson to learn today, for the team and all, is that talent in not enough. Don't beat yourself up; don't look for scape-goats; simple desire is not enough (X-Man learned that today). It will be an interesting week of practice. I can't wait until next week. I'm looking for LSU to beat Florida by 21...

ROY_LA_CA, Oct 2, 2004

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Thanks Fightin TIGER for the laugh --- I need it...!!!

ROY_LA_CA, Oct 2, 2004

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FightinTIGER said:

This is an EXTREMELY POORLY coached team.
Sloppy, poor fundamentals and soft.

There is no other way to put it when a team with this much talent consistently under performs. Getting beat by Georgia isn’t the problem. Georgia is a very good team. Getting beat the way we did is the problem. LSU got embarrassed.

Every coach and team we’ve played knows the ONE thing that Saban doesn’t seem to get. RANDALL IS A HORRIBLE QUARTERBACK.

You cannot beat good football teams with a quarterback that can’t throw the ball. You cannot run the football when the other team knows you can’t throw the ball.

Many of us have known for 2 years that Randall doesn’t have what it takes to compete in big time football games. Saban foolishly thought that his defense would be good enough to skate by with a very bad quarterback at the helm.

Russell and Flynn should have been taking the snaps with the first team the day after the Sugar Bowl.

Saban is stubborn and thinks his defense is enough to win a game and it isn’t. His HUGE ego is interfering with his ability to see that we need the offense to actually score points, not just burn the clock down a few seconds until the defense can get back on the field.

It hasn’t taken coaches long to figure out Saban’s aggressive defense and how to beat it.

This “not getting up for big games” is bull****. Of course you can’t get hyped up for every game but football is a game of passion and to not get your team hyped of for big games is ridiculous.

Our offensive line is fat and slow. They can’t pass block to save their lives. We need leaner, quicker guys that can pass protect.

Our defense still can’t tackle. Something they should have learned in pee wee ball.

Webster and Daniels are NOT the best cornerbacks in America.

Someone please go grab one of the students from South America that plays soccer and throw a uniform on them.

Either they don’t know how or our coaches won’t let them but the inability of our QB’s to audible at the line is killing us.

It’s hard to watch such a talented team do so bad. This is a poorly coached team.
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Your post may be very politically incorrect, but it’s the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth no matter how much people don’t won’t to hear it. Reality is this talent-laden team is seriously under performing and under achieving and it all stems from this sorry two-quarterback experiment. I said it before and now I’m going to repeat it again: as long as LSU continues with this absurd two-quarterback nonsense this team will struggle against quality teams. I was willing to sacrifice the season in order to let the young quarterbacks of the future gain experience, but I was never willing to sacrifice a season with an insane two quarterback experiment, but that’s exactly what happened.
Turbotigerfan, Oct 2, 2004

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