Time Article on Bush and National Guard

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  1. CottonBowl'66

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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    You know this business about Bush's National Guard service makes about as much sense to me as the people who are still bitching about Bill Clinton's land investments and blow jobs. Clinton is one president in the past. Who cares anymore?

    Folks, this national guard issue is about 8 wars behind the curve. This guy is comander-in-chief of an ongoing war! Who the hell cares what he did in Alabama during Vietnam? There are current war issues involving Bush that are very serious. Who needs this distraction?

    If he lied about his service record 30 years ago when he was just another guardsman, it is only resume-fudging and a petty issue. If he lied to us as president about our reasons for going to war -- the war we are in right now -- that's a big freakin' deal.
     
  3. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    Bush never lied about his military history. What you have here is pure politics "dirty tricks" by the DNC. They sling this crap out there and wait to see what sticks. Then, morons like Cotton Bowl pick out selected phrases and trumpet it as though it was the unvarnished truth. Bush was a fighter pilot. He flew F102s which were being phased out at the time of his Alabama service. He elected not to recertify. He was in Alabama and he was not AWOL. He was a qualified fighter pilot who would have gone to Viet Nam if so ordered. As one unit member has stated recently, you risked your life everytime you strapped into one of those things. This feeble attempt by Democrats to discredit the President because they cannot win the White House on their own is incredibly petty. And one thing no one can refute. Bush never consorted with the likes of "Hanoi Jane" Fonda and he never spoke out against any war, thus impugning the memory of those who died. Can Kerry say that?
     
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    The last paragraph of this article brings up a question that the press should insist Bush answer. That is why he missed his Air National Guard physical and lost his rating to fly airplanes for them.

    They had paid tens of thousands of dollars to train Bush to fly fighter planes but two years before his enlistment was up, Bush lost his rating to fly fighter planes.

    Initially the Bushies said that when he went to Alabama his personal physician was not available to give his physical, but that is clearly a lie since it takes a flight physician to give him this physical and there were many in Alabama.

    It is difficult to explain since many pilots cheat if they have to to stay flight certified even if they have a problem that may preclude them from doing so. Bush did the opposite and he has never told us why he did not take the required physical.

    Major General Paul Weaver, who retired in 2002 from being head of the Air National Guard, said, "There are certain things I expect from my pilots. He (Bush) should have kept current with his physicals."

    There is something fishy here and America has a right to know what it is.
     
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    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    Cotton Bowl, you ignorant slut (with apologies to SNL). I just answered that:

     
  6. phatcat

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    Well, actually, Saban Fan...

    He not only elected not to recertify, he elected not to show up.

    In the 2000 election a reward of $3500 was offered in Alabama by alumni of the Alabama Air National Guard to anyone who could prove that Dubya ever attended a single drill there. Evidently the folks in that wealthiest of states, Alabama are so flush that not one of them stepped forward to claim the free money.

    Garry Trudeau has now offered a $10,000 reward for anyone who can prove that Dubya ever attended even one of his mandatory drills while √íserving√ď in the Alabama Guard. So far, no takers.

    It seems that Dubya has managed to make his way through life depending on his easygoing folksiness while withholding seemingly inconsequential but damningly pertinent facts all along the way. (The drunk driving conviction of 1976 comes immediately to mind)

    Unfortunately, now that he has alienated us from the rest of the free world after having unilaterally dragged this country into a shooting war where Americans are being killed and wounded on a daily basis with no end in sight, his easy charm and aw shucks horseshit memory lapses have begun to wear a little thin.
     
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    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    Re: Well, actually, Saban Fan...

    The military is not high school. If you don't show up where you are ordered to show up you are AWOL and will be prosecuted under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, you will be disciplined and there will be a record of it. Bush was never AWOL. Let it go.
     
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    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    Re: Re: Well, actually, Saban Fan...

     
  9. phatcat

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    Now we're getting somewhere

    Hey, you're preaching to the choir, Reverend Saban Fan. That is truly a great question.

    Why wasn't Bush reported as AWOL? Who knows? What we do know is that strings have been pulled for this child of priviledge his whole life.

    This just appears to be one more instance where he was just too well connected to play the game on the same level playing field and by the same rules as everyone else.

    After all, when your daddy is the head of the CIA, it seems that amazing opportunities just miraculously open up for you, and roadblocks just magicly disappear.
     
  10. G_MAN113

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    Re: Now we're getting somewhere

    That's right...his daddy was the head of the CIA.

    This man flew supersonic jet fighters. This requires a certain security clearance. His service records over a span of several months back then have mysteriously vanished.

    Have you ever served in the military? Held a security clearance?

    Are you smart enough to connect the dots? Somehow, I doubt it.

    Then again, even if you were, it wouldn't jibe with what you want to believe, so let's just skip it altogether.
     
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