Wesley Clark

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  1. M.O.M

    M.O.M Freshman

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    What's this with General Clark coming out in favor of gay marriage?
    I respected the General for his military career and his service to our country.
    But man he's on the wrong side of this issue.
    Why can't the Democrats divorce themsleves from fringe elements in our society and concentrate on real issues that affect Americans like jobs, wages and health care.
    Pandering to this special interest group because they can raise a lot of money in a short period of time because of a high disposable income doesn't make the advocacy right.
    I like what Ohio's legislature did.
    With the Federal Courts championing this special interest group and apparently most of the Democratic candidates doing the same, I guess it is going to be up to the individual states to act short of a Constitutional amendment.
     
  2. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    Stick around. By tomorrow he'll be against it.
     
  3. M.O.M

    M.O.M Freshman

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    I'm leaning towards favoring a Constitutional Amendment on this issue. Take it completely out of the hands of judges.
    If left to the people and their representatives, I'm confident all 50 states would ban gay marriage.
    I'm also sadly confident that if left to elitist judges, they will find this right buried and never even contemplated by the Founding Fathers, yet somewhere in the penumbra of the Constitution to the delight of the media elite, the law school faculty elite and the special interest lobby.
    Take this off the table through a Constitutional Amendment and we can have a true debate over important issues, like jobs, the economy, wages and health care.
    I think the Democrats are stronger than the Republicans on most if not all of those issue. But they frustrate me to no end pandering to this special interest group.
    And I think we have to have some base line of decency in this country.
    Marriage is too important to society to allow it to be bastardized by this.
    We have way too many divorces in this country as it is. We don't need to further destroy the insitution.
     
  4. Sourdoughman

    Sourdoughman TigerFan of LSU and the Tigerman

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    As a republican I liked Wesley Clark until the facts came out about
    him forced into retirement and he became to Wishie Washie.
     
  5. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    why anyone cares who marries who i cant understand. i couldnt care less if a cat married a mop.
     
  6. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Gay marriage is a side issue.

    I want the candidates to focus on foreign policy, defense, the economy, the war on terrorism, and smart planning for the future (i.e. reducing the deficit and protecting the environment). This is the job of the president.

    Social issues like gay rights, religious tolerence, and abortion should be handled by states and the congress. I certainly don't vote for a president based on these issues.
     
  7. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    I don't care if someone likes raw eggs. I just don't want to watch them eat.
     
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    martin Banned Forever

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    so you are fine with gays doing every gay ass thing thing they do, as long as there isnt a piece of paper somewhere that is a record of it? that piece of paper bothers you?

    whats the difference?

    why does it affect you? dont misunderstand me, gays are definitely annoying and absurd in my opinion. i just leave em alone and dont care what kinda crazy ass gay business they have going.

    they need to just kill any government connection with the institution of marriage. they should allow people to sign some contract to tie them together financially if they want, but i dont see why the government needs to be involved or care.

    the fact is it just doesnt affect me. i dont see why it affects anyone. sure i dont particularly enjoy seeing gays do gay things, but whatever, i dont like to look at plenty of things, i dont call the government about it.

    what is the negative? how does it affect anyone to let gays marry? who cares?
     
  9. M.O.M

    M.O.M Freshman

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    How far would you go with not caring?
    Siblings, multiple, more than 2 parties being married, human and other creature being married?
    Of course I'm not advocating or maybe not comparing 2 gays to these other scenarios, but you made the broad statement that you don't care who gets married
    Basically the issue is about licensing.
    Do you care who the government does or doesn't license in other regards, so long as it doesn't affect you personally?
    If you never see a particular specialist or field that is ordinarily licensed by the state, do you also not care whether the state licenses that at all?
    The institution of marriage has been about one man and one woman for centuries, if you take the position that you don't care, that is the equivalent of promoting gay marriage in my opinion.
    If that's your opinion, that's fine. I just strongly disagree.
    And if you think the President should not get involved in such issues, do you believe Federal Judges should get involved in the issue?

     
  10. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    Well, if you addressed that to me, you missed my point. I don't give a damn if they get married (that's what the original post in this thread referred to). I just don't want to watch them strolling arm in arm down the street or making out in the theater seat 2 rows ahead of me. In fact your expression "gay ass thing" came very close to making me lose my lunch. And I had sausage po boy with chili. That would not have been easy to get out of the carpet.
     

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