will the real Tommy Moffitt please stand up?

I couldn't agree more. Not to start a whole Nick Saban thing, but since that last group in 07 left, our leadership has been lacking. Watching Bama wear us down, reminded me of the way we used to look. Something is not right. Miles recognizes the drive/attitude thing or he wouldn't have started the whole Big Cat thing. Regardless, all of the signs that are out there, this, QB play, Miles reputation are not pointing in a positive direction. I hope we are all genuinely surprised by this teams performance this year, and all of this is much ado about nothing.

 

Pure publicity stunt. It's meant to be a visible effort for fans. It's pretty standard in practices starting in JR high.

Agreed. But I am more hopeful in the run game, which I believe to be the missing link. And I really thought McCarthy hurt the development of our WR more than helped. Seemed to me their knowledge, route running, etc. took a dive when he came here. We see a better run game and WR that actually get separation, maybe JJ will show up like he did vs Georgia Tech.

 

I don't know, I'm not an attorney.

But if the coaching staff let Ciron Black play injured all season long and he aggravated injuries to the point of going from a projected first round pick to not even being invited to rookie tryout camps, I'd be concerned about liability if I were the university, the athletic department, or any one of his coaches.

As far as I know, this wasn't an injury that occurred during a game, it was a condition that sounds like it became chronic gradually through the season and evidently debilitating by the end of it.

Even if Black was our best option...even if he willingly, of his own volition, offered to play for the team's sake, the coaches and the medical staff have a moral obligation to guard the safety and well being of the players...

...and there are attorneys out there that would probably argue that there was a legal obligation as well.

I'd consult an attorney before I answered questions if I were affiliated with the LSU football team. Prudence doesn't seem to have been considered initially, but it sure needs to be considered now.

 

who says they arent? who says that all medical evaluations didnt show a problem to be that bad? i havent seen any evidence that anyone on the lsu staff disregards the health and safety of players.

imo, you are reaching.

 

I think something was wrong all year with Ciron Black. It's only now that the reason why is revealed.

As far as reaching...If Ciron Black was my son, I wouldn't be reaching.

 

you are claiming negligence (at best), or conspiracy (at worst) against the staff, trainers, and physicians. i call that reaching. if there was a problem and ciron knew about it but he was played anyway (negligence), then where is the responsibility of ciron and/or his family to stand up and say "no, you will not treat me/my son in this manner". if it was conspiracy, then all of those people would have had to keep quiet. i dont see that happening. i dont see one person not going to ciron and his family saying "this is the real truth and ciron should not be playing".

 

Generally speaking, you don't motivates another. A person has to motivate themselves.

 

Definitely, not conspiracy. I think Red55 brought that up as a challenge in our discussion. Red55 is a real good debater.
I don't even really know if it's negligence, because I'm only aware of what was reported and I'm not at all close to the LSU program like BHelm may be. So I am making assumptions. I may even be jumping to conclusions, but I hope not and I'm trying not to.
I do think that it probably was negligence on the part of LSUs medical staff. And I think the results are disastrous. I feel bad for everyone including the coaching, medical and training staffs. They're probably asking themselves a lot of second guessing questions right now.

It's not my place to accuse, lay blame or find fault. But my opinion is that Ciron Black was hurt the whole season and he played hurt the whole season and I think his injuries got chronically worse throughout the season. And I think that the staff was aware of it all season even though it caught me (and I suppose most others) completely by surprise.

Good point about responsibility there Okie. Probably there's a lot of blame to go around as well as a lot of shared responsibility.

 

:geaux: I disagree. Having been in the military for 20 years, I assure you I was "motivated" by other folks on several occassions.:grin: Various methods were utilized and I assure you it can be done.

Same applies for football players, and I assume it could start off by stating the obvious; either get to work, now, or someone else will have your job. There are always other folks who want your job on a football team. Not saying self-motivation doesn't happen or isn't a good thing. Just sayin'.....:LSU231: